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NYC jails want to ban physical mail, then privatize scanning of digital versions

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Re: NYC jails want to ban physical mail, then privatize scanning of digital versions

#21

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Sure — but you’re not in prison. The kinds of people in there are probably receiving smuggled goods or other illicit materials, not pleasant drawings from kids.

Like they can't get both? Who are you to decide that? Are you in prison since that was your qualifier to the GP?

GP began with “if I were in prison”, so I meant it more like “but you’re not in prison, because you’re distinct from those who are”.

Re: NYC jails want to ban physical mail, then privatize scanning of digital versions

#22

So prisons lost the phone revenue scam, and now moving onto mail scam?

That's not still ongoing?

Not as badly. Biden signed a bill capping the per minute rate for phone calls from prison. When it takes effect, the costs will be capped at 25 cents per minute.

Still insane, but better than the alternative.

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Hard disagree. If I were in prison, it would make a great difference to me to keep a drawing that my child sent me in my cell, vs. maybe being able to look at a bad scan of it. Plus, when would I actually get to see the scan?

Sure — but you’re not in prison. The kinds of people in there are probably receiving smuggled goods or other illicit materials, not pleasant drawings from kids.

"The kinds of people in there" are not very different from you or me and treating them as other is merely a cognitive opioid to comfort ourselves with treating prisoners with cruelty.

Re: NYC jails want to ban physical mail, then privatize scanning of digital versions

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard disagree. If I were in prison, it would make a great difference to me to keep a drawing that my child sent me in my cell, vs. maybe being able to look at a bad scan of it. Plus, when would I actually get to see the scan?

Sure — but you’re not in prison. The kinds of people in there are probably receiving smuggled goods or other illicit materials, not pleasant drawings from kids.

What a ridiculous presumption.

Is there anything resembling evidence that the current system of incarceration selects the "kinds of people" to whom you refer, rather than arbitrarily from the population, weighted by money and melanin?

Re: NYC jails want to ban physical mail, then privatize scanning of digital versions

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard disagree. If I were in prison, it would make a great difference to me to keep a drawing that my child sent me in my cell, vs. maybe being able to look at a bad scan of it. Plus, when would I actually get to see the scan?

Sure — but you’re not in prison. The kinds of people in there are probably receiving smuggled goods or other illicit materials, not pleasant drawings from kids.

I feel sad after reading this comment. People in prison are still people. Many of them have committed crimes against society; some are imprisoned unjustly; all are deserving of human dignity and love. People in prison have families, children, loved ones, and it's an undeniable fact that strong social support networks reduce recidivism.

People in prison are not monsters. They're people.

I won't deny that illicit substances flowing into prisons is a problem. But painting all prisoners as smugglers who are incapable of receiving affection, love, or support is absurd.

Re: NYC jails want to ban physical mail, then privatize scanning of digital versions

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure — but you’re not in prison. The kinds of people in there are probably receiving smuggled goods or other illicit materials, not pleasant drawings from kids.

What a ridiculous presumption. Is there anything resembling evidence that the current system of incarceration selects the "kinds of people" to whom you refer, rather than arbitrarily from the population, weighted by money and melanin?

Are you saying that no one in prison is there because they committed a crime? While I’d be certain that there are false positives, you seem to be asserting that the entire prison population is composed of false positives.

Re: NYC jails want to ban physical mail, then privatize scanning of digital versions

#29

I cannot imagine being a software dev for these projects. I'd rather work on a porn-site.

Why work for either?

I mean, money, obviously, but if you can get paid to code porn you can get paid to code for a lot of other things too.

Edit: Ah, I didn't realize this was a safe space for perverts who hate women. Cool. Cool cool cool. Very cool.

Why am I even surprised?

Re: NYC jails want to ban physical mail, then privatize scanning of digital versions

#30

Prisons are a racket, but physical mail is also an exploitable loophole for getting drugs into the system by sending paper laced with fentanyl. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/bronx-jail-officer-hosp...

> On Friday night while sorting mail in the Bronx, the officer's hands went numb despite wearing gloves. Workers administered Narcan, a drug used to help reverse an overdose, and sent her to the hospital. She was treated and released.

Fentanyl. Does. Not. Work. Like. That.

Cops are having panic attacks, not fentanyl exposures - in most cases the described symptoms don't even match fentanyl's effects.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/magazine/police-fentanyl-...

> Last month, a 33-year-old clinical toxicologist and emergency-medicine pharmacist named Ryan Feldman co-published a case study about the time he accidentally spilled a mammoth dose of pure liquid fentanyl all over himself at work; he simply washed it off, with no adverse effects.

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/fainting-fentanyl-...

> There are many such videos of police officers quickly showing overt symptoms or even collapsing after exposure to minute quantities of fentanyl - or even just possible fentanyl - and these are just not pharmacologically possible. Fentanyl is not absorbed through the skin like this. Yes, there are indeed fentanyl skin patches for hospital pain relief, but these are formulated with other agents to make the skin more permeable under the patch (as are all such skin-patch dosage forms). Think about it: you do not see opioid addicts rubbing small bits of fentanyl on the backs of their hands for a quick hit.

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