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NYC jails want to ban physical mail, then privatize scanning of digital versions

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Re: NYC jails want to ban physical mail, then privatize scanning of digital versions

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Post by thefaux »

warning26 wrote: post #21
dylan604 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like they can't get both? Who are you to decide that? Are you in prison since that was your qualifier to the GP?

GP began with “if I were in prison”, so I meant it more like “but you’re not in prison, because you’re distinct from those who are”.

> I meant it more like “but you’re not in prison, because you’re distinct from those who are”.

This is a wretched assumption that dehumanizes everyone in prison by implying that they are a part of some lesser subspecies that does not deserve humane treatment.

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Post by [deleted] »

warning26 wrote: post #11
jollyllama wrote: post #9

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Hard disagree. If I were in prison, it would make a great difference to me to keep a drawing that my child sent me in my cell, vs. maybe being able to look at a bad scan of it. Plus, when would I actually get to see the scan?

Sure — but you’re not in prison. The kinds of people in there are probably receiving smuggled goods or other illicit materials, not pleasant drawings from kids.

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Post by treeman79 »

PuppyTailWags wrote: post #24
warning26 wrote: post #11

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Sure — but you’re not in prison. The kinds of people in there are probably receiving smuggled goods or other illicit materials, not pleasant drawings from kids.

"The kinds of people in there" are not very different from you or me and treating them as other is merely a cognitive opioid to comfort ourselves with treating prisoners with cruelty.

There are some in prison that screwed up and want to change.

Many in prison would slit a throat, scam, mug, assault, rape etc without any kind of remorse. These people are not like you and I.

Some of these do some variation of “find Jesus” and try and change. Many do not. Or they take decades to change ways.

At Some point dangerous people need to be locked away.

Fear of punishment is the only thing that keeps a small percentage of the population from doing these things on a regular basis. Think how people act in real life vs being Anonymous online.

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Post by dylan604 »

warning26 wrote: post #21
dylan604 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like they can't get both? Who are you to decide that? Are you in prison since that was your qualifier to the GP?

GP began with “if I were in prison”, so I meant it more like “but you’re not in prison, because you’re distinct from those who are”.

Right, but you're not in prison either making you distinct from those that are. You're painting with a very large brush assuming that the only possessions a prisoner might have are contraband. If you think they don't have pictures of family or notes/letters/drawings from kids, you'd be sorely mistaken.

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Post by barbazoo »

adenozine wrote: post #29
flerchin wrote: post #23

I cannot imagine being a software dev for these projects. I'd rather work on a porn-site.

Why work for either? I mean, money, obviously, but if you can get paid to code porn you can get paid to code for a lot of other things too. Edit: Ah, I didn't realize this was a safe space for perverts who hate women. Cool. Cool cool cool. Very cool. Why am I even surprised?

What's wrong with pornography?

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Post by richbell »

flerchin wrote: post #53
sokoloff wrote: post #33

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What’s wrong with working on a porn site? I’d feel better about working on a porn site than at least one of FAANGs.

Nothing really wrong with working on a porn site, but I might hesitate to bring it up with my family members.

"I'm a Software Developer at MindGeek, a prestigious global industry-leading information technology firm."

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Post by gnu8 »

bobkazamakis wrote: post #58
D13Fd wrote: post #55

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> Police departments are often the same. I don't know understand why some people online seem to so often want to steer discussions towards how the police are so awful.

I dont understand why some people online want to take every opportunity to defend class traitors.

No one on HN understands reality. The name of the site should be False Consciousness.

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Post by NikolaNovak »

kneebonian wrote: post #45
sokoloff wrote: post #33

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What’s wrong with working on a porn site? I’d feel better about working on a porn site than at least one of FAANGs.

Many people consider porn fundamentally immoral, not to mention most porn has connection to sex trafficking.

I understand the first part of the claim - many people indeed do consider porn immoral, for whatever personal reasons they have. I may disagree with them, but your statement is still valid, and more power to them as long as they keep it to themselves.

I do not understand the second part of the claim, that "most porn has connection to sex trafficking". This seems a fairly strong statement (there's a huge amount of porn, so "Most" is gonna be a very large number), and have never seen anything remotely accurate supporting it (occasional allusions from those who consider porn immoral, but with no meaningful statistical significance). Not to say there isn't a considerable Venn diagram, and that Venn diagram should be reduced through strong law enforcement, but "most" seems wildly inaccurate.

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Post by D13Fd »

BigRedDog1669 wrote: post #57
D13Fd wrote: post #55

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> Police departments are often the same. I don't know understand why some people online seem to so often want to steer discussions towards how the police are so awful.

It seems pretty relevant here. Both prisons and the police are part of the government monopoly on violence.

The article is about prison mail. It has nothing to do with police officers and does not mention the "government monopoly on violence."

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Post by D13Fd »

i80and wrote: post #59
D13Fd wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Police departments are often the same. I don't know understand why some people online seem to so often want to steer discussions towards how the police are so awful.

This is pretty directly relevant to the article.

How so? The article is about prison mail. It doesn't even mention police officers and police officers have nothing to do with prison mail.
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