"It reeks." "Toxic fumes." Same's true of ICE automobile exhausts. In far more voluminous quantities. The whole "great outdoors" is their ashtray. When will they be banned?
How about coal power plants?
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#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, so the reason there are thousands of books and methods about quitting smoking isn’t because it’s hard, it’s because people don’t really want to. Or maybe they’re stupid? Got it.
I didn’t say it was easy, or that people who smoke are stupid, I said it was a choice. If you choose to quit smoking then you’ll succeed.
Ah, the Yoda solution. "There is no try."
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Smoking on planes is absolutely something I can't wrap my head around in any possible way. How the hell someone EVER thought it would be a good idea to let people smoke while packed inside a flying metal cylinder?
Admirial Cloudberg covered at least one crash caused by fire caused by a cigarette. The response from the industry: smoke alarms. Banning smoking too was unthinkable!
Brand new aircraft still include fixtures to stub out cigarettes in the bathrooms, because it doesn't matter if you declare that something's forbidden, people will do it anyway and you need to do what you can to minimise harm.
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Too high or low? It sounds about right to me, if you include the casual smokers in the 35%.
Too high. I do not and did not know any smokers of my age in high school, college, or after. Seriously zero, which would be odd if it was really one-third. And I'm from Oklahoma which has a high rate of smoking, but I associate it with my friends' grandparents.
You must have gone to a pretty well-to-do school, because in my D rated high school in FL in the early 00s, it was fairly common for teens to smoke.
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#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
Smoking risks is one of the few thing in which it cannot be overstated. Unlike other forms of safety-ism.
Smoking tobacco, as far as I know, does not make one spontaneously explode. To say otherwise, in my view, would be overstating the risks of smoking.
I can't remember where I read that, but someone had made an interesting observation that stayed with me, and your comment makes me think of it (perhaps you're referring to the same article?)
What if instead of slowly dying of cancer, smoking had a tiny tiny chance of making you die by exploding your face? Exact same probability of dying, just very violent and graphic.
Chances are barely anyone would smoke. Yet, same death rate.
To answer your point, I think smoking is worse than making your head explode, it has a much greater societal cost in healthcare than if you were to die there and then, and creates much more suffering.
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#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
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> In other words, the air on the plane was quite a bit cleaner when there were ashtrays next to the seats. That doesn't follow from what you wrote. Anyway, it is easy to look at actual research on cabin air quality and see your claim is false. "Typical levels of SHS-RSP on aircraft violated current (PM(2.5)) federal air quality standards approximately threefold for flight attendants, and exceeded SHS irritation thres…
The decrease in particles with the smoking ban doesn't prove or disprove what I'm asserting, which is that (a) bleed air into the cabin was reduced and (b) filters were replaced less often, after the tobacco ban. In fact, what I'm saying is that the airlines leveraged the tobacco ban and commensurate reduction in measurable PM(2.5) as a legal excuse to reduce filtration of air five-fold, resulting in much higher levels of viral particles recirculating.
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#327It's tough to portray just how ubiquitous smoking was to a modern audience. You would go to a restaurant and the first thing your hostess would ask is "smoking or non"? I remember standing in a checkout line in the 80s as a child and being fascinated with the billowing clouds of smoke an old lady blew. I remember coming home from bars reeking of smoke, even though I didn't. Even teachers had their own lounges that re…
In France in the 80s and 90s there was no such thing as a non-smoking section in restaurants. You could smoke anywhere, everywhere, anytime, all of the time.
In high school our teachers would smoke, not in class but in the corridor leading to the classroom, and they would drop their cigarette buts on the door sill.
People would smoke in cars continuously, including my parents when we were toddlers. It was forbidden to smoke in elevators but people found that outrageous and absurd and often disregarded that rule.
McDonalds had aluminium ashtrays that I collected (stole) because they were so convenient. Here's an image of one:
https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/m3sAAOSwqEZjlkoe/s-l30...
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#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
If everyone is allowed to take their coughing children on airplanes, it's a detriment to my life quality. What's the difference? Why are ten coughing children without masks less lethal than ten adults smoking cigarettes?
The difference is hyperbole. You make it sound like you’re being personally harassed by a minimum of 10 children, possibly taking shift coverage to make sure to infect you 24x7. And you’re comparing that with actual smokers who would actually light up at every opportunity. Oh it’s “just one cigarette” that you would smoke right? Just one. Why are these unreasonable people persecuting you unreasonably for just one . O…
Children light up at every opportunity. If you've ever been in a row with a few of them, they have no control over the contents of their lungs. Smokers do, actually, ask in most cases.
In terms ten second-hand cigarettes damaging you on a flight, or ten coughing children, I don't understand how you think the smoke would be more dangerous. Cancer risk from smoke is cumulative, whereas risk from contagious diseases is immediate.
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stop for a minute and think about the psychology of what you’ve just written. Instead of getting angry at aviation corporations who save money and maximize profits by degrading the quality of the very air you breath, you direct your anger towards other passengers and their kids. As they would against you. That said, you shouldn’t be allowed to smoke and masks should be mandatory on planes still in my opinion.
>> Instead of getting angry at aviation corporations who save money and maximize profits by degrading Sorry! I skipped over the part where I was disturbed and disgusted at the fact that American had cut their filter expense by 80%. My friend's dad was not a smoker but was also appalled that the airline took that decision once they were free from the particulate strictures imposed by cigarettes, because he believed it…
How are you not understanding that they didn’t “cut filter expense by 80%”, but simply they get 1/5th as dirty?
If not less. My educated guess is they used to get changed more often than required due to clogging, and now they’re just changed based on some minimum required.
Have you ever lived with a smoker? My grandmother’s house used to have to be repainted every other year before her death. Do you think we just “greedily cut painting costs by 80%” because we repainted it once in ten years since, or might it have to do with walls yellowing due to particulate?
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#330My grandfather (who died because of his smoking addiction) had a number of ashtrays I distinctly remember. There was a push-down one that would spin, depositing the ashes and butts into a trap door compartment inside. There was one made of old coins bent and welded together. Of course simple glass ones around the house. The truck had an ash tray built in, with a lid mechanism so it could be removed and emptied withou…
Only 60% of Americans drink? I routinely get astonished looks when I tell people that I've never in my life even tried a drop of alcohol. It seems like way more than 60% have had alcohol.
I would never say that I don't drink. So I wouldn't be part of the (in the case you refer to) 40%. But I almost never drink, and never very much anymore. Some years I've had maybe a couple of beers. I will take a little glass of wine a few times a year, at dinners. But I never feel the need to open a beer or drink wine at home. Had to dump most of my wine collection a while ago, the bottles were so old that when I checked, most of them had become vinegar. But if people ask if I don't drink alcohol I would never say "I don't". Because I do. I just don't have a wish to, most of the time.