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The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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Post by wincy »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #243
chongli wrote: post #208

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You don't have to ban smokers to ban smoking on a sub. Smokers don't have to smoke, they merely choose to do so.

As an ex-smoker, I'd ask you to consider it as about the most addictive thing going. Think of something you really, really like doing. Something that calms or pleases you every time you do it. Like, playing a game, or reading a book, or eating your favourite food. Now imagine someone telling you that you don't have to do that, it's just a choice. Imagine being deprived of it and being guilt-tripped into it. Sure you…

Curious, did you start smoking in your teens? I smoked hookah every day for about a year when I was 25 because I vastly preferred it to going out to bars and it seemed to be an acceptable social alternative. Then I quit. I never crave cigarettes, unless I walk by a group of smokers then I might bum one. I’ve probably smoked 5 cigarettes in the last few years.

When I vaped for a little while like five years ago to see if it’d help concentration I wouldn’t crave it exactly, more like if I had it I’d just pull it out absentmindedly and puff on it until it was empty.

Anyway my working theory is when you start has a lot to do with getting addicted.

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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Post by hourago »

camillomiller wrote: post #256
noduerme wrote: post #245

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Stop for a minute and think about the psychology of what you’ve just written. Instead of getting angry at aviation corporations who save money and maximize profits by degrading the quality of the very air you breath, you direct your anger towards other passengers and their kids. As they would against you. That said, you shouldn’t be allowed to smoke and masks should be mandatory on planes still in my opinion.

> That said, you shouldn’t be allowed to smoke and masks should be mandatory on planes still in my opinion.

That is a very reasonable approach. We are billions of humans living in close quarters. Let's make a little effort to offer high quality spaces to everybody. This happened with seat belts in cars, many people were offended by the idea but it is saving many lives each day.

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Post by nibbleshifter »

ornornor wrote: post #205
microtherion wrote: post #21

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> You would go to a restaurant and the first thing your hostess would ask is "smoking or non"? I remember being asked this the first time I visited the US in the early 1990. To me, this was downright progressive: In Switzerland, at the time, you did NOT have the choice of a non-smoking section available.

I moved to Switzerland recently and I was very unpleasantly surprised at the general attitude towards smoking here. It’s routine to see someone hold an infant or child in one hand and a smoke in the other. It’s technically forbidden to smoke in train stations but there is no enforcement and people will smoke everywhere anyway. Same thing for underground parkings. The “rule” seems to be that if you can somehow see the…

Terraces in bars are now just smoking areas in countries that implemented an indoor smoking ban.

Some places try implement an X meters from entrances rule, but its a waste of time.

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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Post by freddie_mercury »

noduerme wrote: post #245
camillomiller wrote: post #88

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Smoking on planes is absolutely something I can't wrap my head around in any possible way. How the hell someone EVER thought it would be a good idea to let people smoke while packed inside a flying metal cylinder?

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> In other words, the air on the plane was quite a bit cleaner when there were ashtrays next to the seats.

That doesn't follow from what you wrote.

Anyway, it is easy to look at actual research on cabin air quality and see your claim is false.

"Typical levels of SHS-RSP on aircraft violated current (PM(2.5)) federal air quality standards approximately threefold for flight attendants, and exceeded SHS irritation thresholds by 10 to 100 times. From cotinine dosimetry, SHS exposure of typical flight attendants in aircraft cabins is estimated to have been >6-fold that of the average US worker and approximately 14-fold that of the average person. Thus, ventilation systems massively failed to control SHS air pollution in aircraft cabins."

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Post by blahedo »

myroon5 wrote: post #158
j_m_b wrote: post #7

It's tough to portray just how ubiquitous smoking was to a modern audience. You would go to a restaurant and the first thing your hostess would ask is "smoking or non"? I remember standing in a checkout line in the 80s as a child and being fascinated with the billowing clouds of smoke an old lady blew. I remember coming home from bars reeking of smoke, even though I didn't. Even teachers had their own lounges that re…

Almost half the states still haven't banned smoking indoors in public places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_Un... Still common in bars in those states

Depends on the state. I was surprised to see "no ban" for Virginia on the map, because I haven't seen indoor public smoking, anywhere, since moving here in 2011. Apparently it's allowed in places that have built "structurally separated and ventilated rooms" but nowhere I've been actually does that... I'm sure it's out there but certainly not "common".

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Post by Tor3 »

jhoechtl wrote: post #164
camillomiller wrote: post #88

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Smoking on planes is absolutely something I can't wrap my head around in any possible way. How the hell someone EVER thought it would be a good idea to let people smoke while packed inside a flying metal cylinder?

Seems you never were on a smoking flight. Planes have excellent air conditions. It was not like the whole plane up in smoke. You could smell it a little on a non smoking seat but it was quite mild.

Absolutely not so. Smoking on airplanes was exactly as it sounds like - what you get when people smoke inside a metal cylinder packed with people. I used to fly all the time for work back then, international/intercontinental. It was bad. Very bad. Some airlines even experimented with "smoking zone on the right side, non-smoking on the left side".. what an idea. If this was today I couldn't fly at all, I've become so physically sensitive to tobacco smoke from all the passive exposure over the years. Throat contracts painfully long before I even smell the smoke and I just can't take it.

As for the air inside airplanes.. occasionally an Einstein will enter an airplane using perfume. It's hell. Airplanes have sometimes needed to perform emergency landings just to save the life of other passengers with perfume allergy. As for myself, if someone uses perfume I have to ask to get a seat half a cabin away. I don't get an allergic (breathing) reaction, just physical pain. So much for the supposed excellent air conditions.

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Post by jdkoeck »

noduerme wrote: post #245
camillomiller wrote: post #88

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Smoking on planes is absolutely something I can't wrap my head around in any possible way. How the hell someone EVER thought it would be a good idea to let people smoke while packed inside a flying metal cylinder?

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It’s amazing how backwards you got things there. The mental gymnastics you went through! Do you really think the air was cleaner in planes when people smoked in them? And you think children coughing is worse than smoking? Jesus. By the way, I hope you know there are Covid vaccines now, but I hesitate to ask your opinion on them.

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Post by noduerme »

gambiting wrote: post #259
noduerme wrote: post #246

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You can vape up your sleeve on a plane, but snus is the best way.

Snus isn't actually legal in a lot of places. As in - it's legal to have, but you can't buy it anywhere(most of EU and UK I believe).

it's quite a shame, because it's much cleaner and less dangerous than other ways of taking up nicotine.

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Post by system2 »

dcminter wrote: post #253
8bitsrule wrote: post #204

"It reeks." "Toxic fumes." Same's true of ICE automobile exhausts. In far more voluminous quantities. The whole "great outdoors" is their ashtray. When will they be banned?

2035 in EU: https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/eu-approves-effective... Ok, not quite, and the motivation is different, but the days of ICE are numbered.

I would buy a long range EV but they are crazy expensive. I wish the governments could support consumers more in this.
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