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Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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Post by electrotype »

tonfa wrote: post #39
samsoe wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you just log out of your google account search should be fully 'de-personalized' right?

And use pws=0.

Or use NoCrap Google Search Bar (and Firefox) to add pws=0 automatically: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/120144

[disclaimer: I'm NoCrap author]

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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Post by surferbayarea »

Google, you have now gone over to the dark side. The technical definition of "do no evil" was that google search would not promote any single entity based on who they are, rather they would let algorithms and data govern the core ranking. This seems to be the first VIOLATION of this principle. A HACK has been inserted into the core search ranking where if the content belongs to google, it is being given a preferential treatment and higher score. Why should a photo on picasa be more highly ranked than one on flickr? Seems the ranking team is just taking a short-cut by only using the data on google's internal properties in the ranking.. Come on, crawl the rest of the web !! There is interesting content out there..

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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Post by esrauch »

Zirro wrote: post #64
Zirro wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now, I don't use Gmail nor Google Search but even if I did use one of them, 90% of what I search for on the Internet does not have anything to do with what ends up in my e-mail.

Write a post instead of downvoting me without explaining yourself. I went through my last 20 search queries and found that none of them were related to what I have in my inbox.

I didn't downvote you, but I really don't understand your point at all. Are you claiming that your email is completely impersonal and you don't care who reads it, but your search queries are deeply intimate?

The claim that you are replying to is not that they are getting the exact same information anyway, it's that they are still getting personal information and machines, not people, are seeing it and showing you ads/search results.

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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Post by mvgoogler »

surferbayarea wrote: post #72

Google, you have now gone over to the dark side. The technical definition of "do no evil" was that google search would not promote any single entity based on who they are, rather they would let algorithms and data govern the core ranking. This seems to be the first VIOLATION of this principle. A HACK has been inserted into the core search ranking where if the content belongs to google, it is being given a preferentia…

he technical definition of "do no evil" was that google search would not promote any single entity based on who they are, rather they would let algorithms and data govern the core ranking

Really? Source? (BTW it's "Dont BE evil" not "Do no evil")

Why should a photo on picasa be more highly ranked than one on flickr

Who said it would be?

What search+ does it that it will (possibly) include pictures from Picasa that are not public on the web, but that are owned by or shared with you in your search results.

I'm sure that relevant public photos from flickr will still be ranked and included as appropriate. But I'm guessing that Flickr/Facebook/SmugMug/etc (rightly!) will not be sharing any privately shared photos with Google's web-crawler. So Google can't put those in search results. With photos in Picasa/Google+ we know which ones you are allowed to see and can maintain privacy.

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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Post by mvgoogler »

0x006A wrote: post #45

What happened to organizing the worlds knowledge? This looks more like personalizing the worlds knowledge.

How is it not organizing the world's information?

The full statement is "Organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful"

Making it easier to find and access my own information and information that has been shared with me seems like it fits the mission perfectly.

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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Post by surferbayarea »

mvgoogler wrote: post #74
surferbayarea wrote: post #72

Google, you have now gone over to the dark side. The technical definition of "do no evil" was that google search would not promote any single entity based on who they are, rather they would let algorithms and data govern the core ranking. This seems to be the first VIOLATION of this principle. A HACK has been inserted into the core search ranking where if the content belongs to google, it is being given a preferentia…

he technical definition of "do no evil" was that google search would not promote any single entity based on who they are, rather they would let algorithms and data govern the core ranking Really? Source? (BTW it's "Dont BE evil" not "Do no evil") Why should a photo on picasa be more highly ranked than one on flickr Who said it would be? What search+ does it that it will (possibly) include pictures from Picasa that ar…

Well! Google is a search engine. So if I search for my name, why should the google plus profile show up first, above the facebook or linkedin profile which probably has a way higher relevance score. Just because you decide to add a widget to detect a name and show the google plus profile as the first result, that to me is hacking the search ranking. From the blog-post, say if you search for music, it might bring up the gplus profile of a famous musician(not even in your circle or friends). Why should it bring the gplus page rather than the myspace page for that musician(which might have a way higher relevance)? That page is public, why don't you show that as the representative page for that piece of information rather than the self-promoted gplus page. It's ok to promote one's own product, all it means is that google search ranking now has a big if-then-else. If google-product, show at top, else push down :p

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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Post by surferbayarea »

mvgoogler wrote: post #74
surferbayarea wrote: post #72

Google, you have now gone over to the dark side. The technical definition of "do no evil" was that google search would not promote any single entity based on who they are, rather they would let algorithms and data govern the core ranking. This seems to be the first VIOLATION of this principle. A HACK has been inserted into the core search ranking where if the content belongs to google, it is being given a preferentia…

he technical definition of "do no evil" was that google search would not promote any single entity based on who they are, rather they would let algorithms and data govern the core ranking Really? Source? (BTW it's "Dont BE evil" not "Do no evil") Why should a photo on picasa be more highly ranked than one on flickr Who said it would be? What search+ does it that it will (possibly) include pictures from Picasa that ar…

I guess, my point is that when I come to google and enter a search term, I expect to see all the public information ranked by relevance. Just because you have a different UI treatment for the personalized results doesn't mean that they should get the preferential treatment. When I search for Britney Spears, the google plus, facebook, myspace.. pages for the artist should have equal probability of appearing in that widget/in the search-suggestions(which currently only shows gplus). Let the pagerank/other ranking factors govern which page shows there, don't just hard-code it to be the google-plus page. People are used to google search being impartial and showing the best out of all available information. You can't just show a google plus result at the top and say oh but its in the personalized results widget and not part of the web-ranking.

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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Post by modeless »

josefresco wrote: post #17
JeremyBanks wrote: post #11

To me, the biggest part of this announcement is this: We’re also introducing a prominent new toggle on the upper right of the results page where you can see what your search results look like without personal content. With a single click, you can see an unpersonalized view of search results. Google's slowly been making their results more personalized, without having an easy way to opt-out (if you use a Google account…

How far does this 'de-personalization' go? Do they still factor in user agent, screen size, geography etc.? I would guess that even an anonymized Google search is still fairly 'personal'.

That means no results from your friends, no private information and no personalization of results based on your Web History. This toggle button works for an individual search session, but you can also make this the default in your Search Settings. We provide separate control in Search Settings over other contextual signals we use, including location and language.
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