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Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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I have to agree with that statement. Moreover this increasing please-dont-confront-me-with-views-outside-of-my-peer-group is problematic. While we embrace tolerance and open-mindedness in society, services like Facebook and now Google Search are increasingly reducing the open character and often randomness of the web by creating separated friend-islands.

I think this is something we naturally do as humans. I've been thinking about "small world" connections lately. People that I know through disparate connections, sometimes via very different parts of the country. Then I think about the similarities... we're all probably in the same marketing demographics, age, wealth, education, ideology, etc... We've self selected to increase our probability of meeting. It's a small…

I agree that we humans filter ourselves into a bubble, but the recommendation systems are designed to discourage you from doing different. It is in their best interests for you to be as predictable as possible. Getting their recommendation algorithms to be supremely intelligent and nailing your interests is the hard way, meeting the user in the middle by reducing the set and complexity of his interests is the other easier way.

I'm not railing against recommendation engines. They just rely on fundamental assumptions about the nature of our interests that I'm not sure are right. I'd be interested to see a recommendation engine that had an explicitly different goal in mind than predicting your interests (e.g. an in-built bias to encourage you to eat healthier when giving you restaurant recommendations).

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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If you just log out of your google account search should be fully 'de-personalized' right?

That would be up to Google. They still know your IP address, general location, browser, OS, etc. and can use that to "personalize" your search results.

That can still be 5 different people in one house. Or several hundred in a neighborhood.

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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Dear google: (1) Stop trying to make the default google search personalized. By default that's not what I want or expect. (2) I don't have so many friends that I need to "search" through what they've done. Quit trying to keep us glued to our computers and focus on giving us solutions that get us off the computer faster.

PS- you're being creepy again

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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They host and mine your emails for information about your interests. I'm opposed to them having my search queries. But they already did! It seems you're not opposed to them having you queries, but to them doing something that might actually be useful to you with such queries (as opposed to using them just for ads). Don't get me wrong, I fully understand not wanting Google to know everything about you, but switching b…

Now, I don't use Gmail nor Google Search but even if I did use one of them, 90% of what I search for on the Internet does not have anything to do with what ends up in my e-mail.

Write a post instead of downvoting me without explaining yourself. I went through my last 20 search queries and found that none of them were related to what I have in my inbox.

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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That would be up to Google. They still know your IP address, general location, browser, OS, etc. and can use that to "personalize" your search results.

That can still be 5 different people in one house. Or several hundred in a neighborhood.

Cookies can solve that. If that's how it works is another question.

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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I disagree. Because the things I value are different from the things everyone else values in a vacation. Same reason I can look at the bestseller list in Amazon and be completely uninterested in most of the titles. That's not to say that I have the same taste as all my friends, either. But it's true that their experiences are often much more meaningful, if only because I know them well and understand how they would c…

You make some excellent points. Some of the recommendation engines out there (and it seems everyone has one these days) are really good at figuring out my tastes and preferences. Netflix, Amazon, and hunch.com (now owned by eBay) come to mind. hunch.com recommendations are freaky-good because they ask questions whose core intent is to learn your tastes. You're right that my friends' tastes are only weakly correlated…

"Now the question becomes: who is the most authoritative on topic X?"

That question is also answered as part of this launch, as the "People and pages" bullet point. If you're in the fraction of users who this has rolled out to so far, try searching for [jquery]:

https://www.google.com/search?q=jquery

John Resig and Paul Irish are suggested. Try [haskell]:

https://www.google.com/search?q=haskell

Simon Marlow, Don Stewart (Shae Erisson in one reload), and some dude I've never heard of. Presumably Simon Peyton-Jones doesn't have a G+ profile.

Coverage could still use some work, but the feature is there...

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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the sad part of this is that Google used to be about being 'open', i.e. open standards and federated services. I like the notion of my indexer containing both public and acld data, but it's very Microsoftish that all the ACLd data has to exist within a proprietary repository owned by the indexer. What would truly be innovative would be a solution that supports crawling of private information on the web including thos…

Completely agree on this. On the other hand, this is also a fault on Facebook's side at not being open with their social graph. If FB had been open, maybe Google wouldn't have had decided to build G+ in the first place...

There is too much money to be made for Google not to build Google Plus.

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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> Say you’re looking for a vacation destination. You can of course search the web, but what if you want to learn from the experiences your friends have had on their vacations? Just as in real life, your friends’ experiences are often so much more meaningful to you than impersonal content on the web. No, they are not. What's meaningful to me are the experiences of people (anyone) who have been to where I'm thinking of…

I'd like to see both. My friends might not have as comprehensive coverage, and they may not have my exact taste, but _I know who they are_. This allows me to make judgements about their opinions that I can't make with strangers.

It's also generally the case that people will favor the opinion of a few people they know over the opinion of hundreds of strangers. For example, you'll try a restaurant because one friend recommended it, but the threshold for where you'll follow positive Yelp reviews to go to a new place is probably much higher (in the hundreds for me.)

Re: Google: Search, plus Your World

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Completely agree on this. On the other hand, this is also a fault on Facebook's side at not being open with their social graph. If FB had been open, maybe Google wouldn't have had decided to build G+ in the first place...

This is ridiculous. Facebook has a very open API at https://graph.facebook.com that makes nearly all data on Facebook profiles "open" once the owner has granted permission to access that data. The issue here is that Google wants unfettered access to scrape/index all of that data, or at least the public info and then build a huge business around the copied data. Facebook isn't stupid. Anybody that would let their bigg…

Great in theory, but it's impractical to expect that you're going to get your friends to give access to their FB data so it can show up in your search results. Just awkward.
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