No mention of who is taking full responsibility for the situation! Edit: The CEO takes full "accountability" instead, further down the original announcement[0] [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20230123124201/https://newsroom....
In the tech sector, "taking responsibility" means admitting your decisions led to the situation yet you'll externalize the consequences to employees. In other words, it means nothing. Taking actual responsibility could include stepping down, canceling bonuses, reduced compensation for leadership. It could include steps to become better at forecasting rather than randomly guessing. It could include ironing the busines…
Spotify reducing employee base by about 6%
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Re: Spotify reducing employee base by about 6%
#372No mention of who is taking full responsibility for the situation! Edit: The CEO takes full "accountability" instead, further down the original announcement[0] [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20230123124201/https://newsroom....
They're all meaningless buzzy catchphrases. Until a CEO takes responsibility by resigning themselves, or forfeiting their pay, or something else meaningful, it's all just words.
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#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it is that complex. Who benefits from these mass layoffs? Everyone at the top benefits, and everyone at the bottom suffers. You are spot on when it comes to impact of layoffs. If you want to destroy productivity, firing people is a sure proof way of doing that. To your point, I can't take any executive seriously if they're not self reflecting on their own failure. Mass layoffs should equal a new board i…
Who benefitted from the mass hirings? Stock holders, and also workers. Did the workers complain when the job market (esp in tech) was on fire and wages were increasing? No. Did they blame the people at the top for their new job and wages? No. But, now they want to blame leaders when there are mass layoffs. I think the blame is misplaced. The root cause was the stock market, and better yet blame the fed. The incentive…
Re: Spotify reducing employee base by about 6%
#374Re: Spotify reducing employee base by about 6%
#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand how this detail changes anything: you still can't just build a competitor to Spotify and magically have all of its music.
You don’t need all of its music. You need the three major music producers and the rest will come. But that’s not the point. The “feature not a product” saying means that a major company has your entire reason for existing as a feature in their product. Streaming music is already just a feature for Apple and Amazon. Just like today, you wouldn’t create a separate spell checker application like in the 80s.
This isn't how the market works. I know musicians, and they don't care that you are playing licensing monopoly/bingo and have 3 key squares and now they clearly are going to waste their time uploading their music to your service. You need to essentially already have the subscriber count to provide them a new revenue source that is greater than the pain of dealing with you... which forms a brutal catch-22.
This is similar to why live video also isn't just a feature and YouTube is having to go to war with them to bring streamers to their platform (though as Twitch isn't really about a "back catalog", Spotify is actually in a much better position than Twitch). Social networking is another example of a thing that isn't just a feature you can throw together, even if it looked like that to a lot of companies.
Essentially, anywhere there is either a catalog or a network effect to be had (these are related concepts), you have to provide something that isn't just equivalent but fundamentally new to build a user base that can pull in the new market participants, or people are going to keep using the old service even if they hate it because it has a better library.
(The alternative is you have to do something explosively better for the content producers, enough that they want to get on the ground floor. The most obvious way to do that is by just handing them free money with massive subsidies due to VC raises, which was certainly a lot easier a few years ago than it is today.)
I was the developer behind a major content marketplace that had tens of millions of users and which was able to operate for over a decade despite tons of people trying to build competitors. Hell: my software was open source! I only shut it down because the entire market I was in stopped being technologically viable (resulting in my lawsuit against Apple), and it still took years for the content to become stale enough for people to move on (which doesn't happen as quickly for music). I am speaking from direct experience.
> Just like today, you wouldn’t create a separate spell checker application like in the 80s.
Spell checking, like Dropbox, has no network effect and no first mover advantage.
Re: Spotify reducing employee base by about 6%
#376I think we've gotten into this weird spot where tech companies are almost goading each other into layoffs. I don't doubt that there was some overexpansion during COVID, but it seems to have shifted. Tech companies have signaled to the market that staffing numbers were too high (regardless of profitability), and that investors want to see them brought back down. These layoffs don't really seem to be an indication of c…
This is a bubble imploding, this is serious. The value of money has shifted for good after a decade of excess, there is rampant inflation and there is a recession incoming. These companies have seen the writing on the wall and are making the first of many layoffs to address this. This started last year and will last another year at least, possibly a few years. Apparently most eases of this sore are still in denial ab…
This feels a lot more like a normal ebb. I doubt this layoff trend continues past June, and other companies are still hiring.
Re: Spotify reducing employee base by about 6%
#377Earlier quoted context omitted.
The business of Spotify isn't "streaming music": it is "music licensing"; and, even there, it isn't like most of the music was due to Spotify going out of their way to contact people and get their music on their service: people--not even "labels", but people --upload their music directly to Spotify. You can compete with that, but it is a massive uphill battle; it is similar to trying to create a new app market compet…
Why are you even arguing this? There already exist two major competitors that are treating streaming music as just an insignificant portion of a multibillion dollar business - Amazon and Apple. Also to a lesser extent Google/YouTube. As far as the content that’s unavailable - it doesn’t matter. The long tail theory has been debunked decades ago ( https://mackinstitute.wharton.upenn.edu/2018/long-tail-theor... ). You…
Amazon, Apple, and Google (to their lesser extent due to YouTube) are also in the content licensing business... the same business Spotify is in. Are you saying that iTunes, or Amazon.com, is also a shitty business? I'm betting you aren't. If you are, I recommend looking at how much money Apple makes on iTunes: it is sufficient to have let them subsidize sales of the iPod.
The reason Spotify is in a bad place is because they have bad contracts for their core content (vs. Apple) and a lack of vision for how to change up their business model (maybe by having a feature similar to Amazon Prime / Hulu where you have to pay for add-on subscriptions for various artists), not because "music streaming is a feature": their business isn't "music streaming".
> Again, a successful business doesn’t depend on the long tail - that’s been debunked by every single market - app stores, music, movies, etc. the vast majority of money is made from hits.
I am not saying the vast majority of revenue comes from the long tail, I am saying having access to a large catalog matters and prevents even large companies from being able to just shut you off as I do believe that people--yes, actual people, like my customers--actually care about access to the long tail, even if it isn't most of their usage or where you book your revenue.
> You’re also failing to realize that Spotify’s issue of trying to be profitable just streaming music while its competitors can sell at cost to prop up other businesses.
They aren't, though! iTunes is profitable. It has tried (and succeeded!) to add Spotify as a feature, but Spotify can and should respond by adding track sales or artist-specific subscriptions as a feature. There are tons of things they could be doing--because their business is not music streaming: their business is content licensing--to become profitable. Why don't they at least have a built-in Patreon mechanism where people can pay arbitrarily more for their subscription and have it (after they take a cut) doled out to their streamed artists?! They are just dumb.
They certainly aren't Dropbox: Dropbox's entire business is just a technological feature and fundamentally continued to be a feature forever. There is no real reason to use their feature over someone else's implementation of that feature except code quality (and I have a queued article to write about how Dropbox is broken ;P). There absolutely is a moat that Spotify has here, and to ignore that is extremely strange. They may be squandering their ability to compete, but they aren't "just a feature". Being a dumb company that needs better leadership to establish a better business model is not the same as being a feature.
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#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It's very naive to think these huge orgs don't have dead weight which is much bigger than 6%. If you start figuring some of your moonshot ideas aren't hitting their OKR's, you have a few options: there's been so many versions of this low quality comment on every tech-company-mass-firing article. why is so little thought put into it? if the company feels it can save on salaries then: 1. close down projects that aren'…
Why do you think that mass broad spectrum layoffs are random holes? From what I've seen they follow exactly the structure you're describing - there's a company-wide search for projects that aren't pulling their weight, those projects are shut down, and the employees whose roles no longer make sense without the projects that will be shut down get laid off. > would you suggest saving data storage costs by deleting 6% o…
I’ve been through 2 companies with layoffs in the past year. What you describe is not how either worked. There were some targeted shutdowns, but many teams also just lost a member or two. In both cases my teams lost important people which have a really bad impact on the rest of the team.
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#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who benefitted from the mass hirings? Stock holders, and also workers. Did the workers complain when the job market (esp in tech) was on fire and wages were increasing? No. Did they blame the people at the top for their new job and wages? No. But, now they want to blame leaders when there are mass layoffs. I think the blame is misplaced. The root cause was the stock market, and better yet blame the fed. The incentive…
> Did they blame the people at the top for their new job and wages? Companies aren’t very upfront about over-hiring.
Re: Spotify reducing employee base by about 6%
#380I get needing to keep a company lean and that businesses operate to make money... But most of these recent layoffs really make me feel uneasy. Spotify is a little different because AFAIK they are still operating at a negative net income, but still let's take a look at this. They're going to let go 600 people.. that's maybe an annual 90 million in savings (150k salary). The company's revenue is about 9 billion with -3…