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Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Isn't this a wild cap? I'm not an expert but I am aware of private deals that are less than 10x for similar structures.

Yes, it's pure marketing and totally disingenuous. It's like being called OpenAI while nothing is open. It's interesting research done by terrible people.

> being called OpenAI while nothing is open

https://github.com/openai/whisper is open

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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post #152

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Oh, I think it's way more of a marketing scam than the Patagonia thing, which I think was kind of legit. This one doesn't even sound legit, even if they do exactly what they say... which is almost nothing. they aren't even really saying they'll do anything different with regard to profit. Patagonia, I think the founder and his heirs really have given up lots of profit they could have had, immediately, to dedicate it…

The Patagonia thing was not legit at all according to Adam Hates Everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cu6EbELZ6I EDIT by "not legit" I mean "not authentic"

That's a usually pretty unreliable source. Especially since he doesn't seem to know a lot about fiscal/tax laws, in a country he doesn't even live in.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

#183

Let me translate this blog post out of corpspeak...: OpenAI has agreed to use Azure exclusively and for free, in return for Azure massively scaling up it's GPU capacity (which OpenAI was hitting before, hence threatening to move). In return, OpenAI gives an extensive license to Microsoft to use ChatGPT in Bing (and other products). Now why couldn't the blog post have just said that rather than hiding all the details?

OpenAI threatened to move? Do you've evidence to support this?

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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post #157

“Learn to code.” That’s what folks were crassly saying to truck drivers, baristas, and cashiers. The writing was/is on the wall: AI is only going to get more powerful and able to be applied to more and more complex tasks. The thought was that “unskilled” labor would be the lowest hanging fruit, that automated AI - with some (but minimal) human oversight - would replace serious chunks of the workforce in various minim…

A lot of very smart people, both within NLP research, and here, are in complete denial about what the proliferation of high quality LLMs means for their jobs and earning potential.

The only thing which makes me less sad is that I'm pretty sure Moravecs paradox is actually not all that real, but is more due to the relative lack of engineering interest put on solving continuous control problems. Apparently reinforcement learning on transformers works now (RLHF in ChatGPT). This implies that we should see high effective continuous control models very soon. Robots are coming for physical labor, it'll just take a bit longer.

Shit man, when I was last in South Korea, I felt like I was living in the future. They had many "24/7" drink cafe's where it's literally just a robot arm that makes the drink for you for a few dollars.

It is painfully ironic to knowledge workers that they are destroying their own earning potential, but physical labor is not safe. Nothing is safe.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

#185

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Because they didn't want to openly say "Microsoft gives us GPUs and allows us to use them for free, hence practically buys us. In return we almost exclusively license what we produce to them, for free." Because it looks bad. Microsoft wants to be seen in a different light, and OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. It's all smoke and mirrors.

> OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. Does anybody actually believe this? Their name has been a running joke for years already.

Not to diminish anyone's appreciation for OpenAI's increasingly performance-art level Orwellian name but I have found myself believing that their preference would still be to secure funding that would allow them to live up to the implied openness if it was ever an option. Sam Altman has stated over and over again that they tried to solicit interest / investment from public sources like governments before resorting to private capital. Maybe I just want to believe that their hearts are in the right place but that is the impression my advanced youtube and wikipedia research has left me with.

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post #61

For people more well versed in this space: does GPT / OpenAI more broadly have a meaningful moat? It seems like there will be a number of these models out there and this isn't as great as say Google's up-till-now advantage in search relevancy.

I recently wondered if one of the reasons for Google shutting down Stadia, was to quickly ramp their GPU server stockpile to redirect the resources at GPT modelling, to help catch up.

Great observation.

If it wasn't prescient, it was incredible dumb luck.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

#187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they didn't want to openly say "Microsoft gives us GPUs and allows us to use them for free, hence practically buys us. In return we almost exclusively license what we produce to them, for free." Because it looks bad. Microsoft wants to be seen in a different light, and OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. It's all smoke and mirrors.

> OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. Does anybody actually believe this? Their name has been a running joke for years already.

Absolutely. I heard from 6 different ppl in a week, some technical others not so much say that openAI is producing OS software for free. The use of the word “open” fooled lots and lots of ppl who believe their software is open source and free.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

#188
post #157

“Learn to code.” That’s what folks were crassly saying to truck drivers, baristas, and cashiers. The writing was/is on the wall: AI is only going to get more powerful and able to be applied to more and more complex tasks. The thought was that “unskilled” labor would be the lowest hanging fruit, that automated AI - with some (but minimal) human oversight - would replace serious chunks of the workforce in various minim…

Here's the weird thing though. Bullshit Jobs could already be eliminated, yet they are not. Why not? Why would companies wait until AI to eliminate what we already know are Bullshit Jobs?

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

#189
I asked ChatGPT to write a poem based on this post. Here's what it wrote:

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Two hearts, two minds, working side by side

In pursuit of a mission to make AI safe and wide

Microsoft’s investment allows us to stay true

To our capped-profit company, our mission, and you

From cloud computing to real-world use

We collaborate to ensure our systems are not abused

OpenAI API, Azure’s OpenAI Service, and Designer too

We’re working side by side to make our visions come true

Together we review, together we synthesize

Together we build, together we realize

The potential of advanced AI that’s powerful and safe

Ensuring its benefits can be shared far and wide

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

#190
post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I think it's way more of a marketing scam than the Patagonia thing, which I think was kind of legit. This one doesn't even sound legit, even if they do exactly what they say... which is almost nothing. they aren't even really saying they'll do anything different with regard to profit. Patagonia, I think the founder and his heirs really have given up lots of profit they could have had, immediately, to dedicate it…

The Patagonia thing was not legit at all according to Adam Hates Everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cu6EbELZ6I EDIT by "not legit" I mean "not authentic"

Adam's argument seems to be:

1. If instead of donating the company he had left it to his kids he would have paid a lot in taxes (2:58)

2. He donated the voting shares of the company to a 501c4 that will remain controlled by his family and is allowed to lobby the government (4:10)

3. Normally when you make a donation you're giving up influence over what happens after that (4:25).

4. Other billionaires do other things (rest of video)

But #3 isn't actually true: any of us can donate to a donor-advised fund, which will let us later choose what charity we want the money to go to. This is a good idea if you want to donate but haven't decided where to donate yet, or want to fund opportunities that aren't available yet. They did it through new organizations instead of opening an account at Fidelity, but it's the same thing other than the scale. I wouldn't call your donations "not legit" for using a DAF.

Similarly, Adam sort of implies that #2 was tax-deductible, but donations to a 501c4 aren't. They had to pay tax on those shares based on their fair market value.

Overall, I don't see how this makes the donation no longer "legit" or "authentic"? By making the donation he has given up almost all of the benefit of having that money: he can't spend it for the benefit of himself or his descendants anymore. It can't buy them yachts, fancy houses, etc. Instead, they have to use the money to benefit others, which is why we give a tax break for it.

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