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Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by kranke155 »

chabes wrote: post #157

“Learn to code.” That’s what folks were crassly saying to truck drivers, baristas, and cashiers. The writing was/is on the wall: AI is only going to get more powerful and able to be applied to more and more complex tasks. The thought was that “unskilled” labor would be the lowest hanging fruit, that automated AI - with some (but minimal) human oversight - would replace serious chunks of the workforce in various minim…

It will take 10 years for folks to realize the layoffs/unemployment are AI, 20-30 years for a coherent political movement to show up that lays out a post-AI-labour society.

In the meantime, rocky road.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by rvnx »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #169
bayindirh wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they didn't want to openly say "Microsoft gives us GPUs and allows us to use them for free, hence practically buys us. In return we almost exclusively license what we produce to them, for free." Because it looks bad. Microsoft wants to be seen in a different light, and OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. It's all smoke and mirrors.

> OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. Does anybody actually believe this? Their name has been a running joke for years already.

Brother of OpenDNS

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by linhns »

rvz wrote: post #151
Spivak wrote: post #103

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> Making the best developer tools for free or at least close to free The bastards! Making and releasing high quality developer tools. We have to stop them! Has MS actually EEE'd anything in the last 25 years? I legit can't think of a single formerly-open thing that's been Microsofted via their own extensions.

The methods are different but the strategy is the same. They have used this strategy with Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), VSCode + extensions, Winget, Microsoft Teams, GitHub, and now OpenAI. Microsoft can afford to maintain all these offerings for free whilst competitors suffocate and struggle to compete with their paid offerings. You can't compete with free, especially when there is a company who can afford to r…

Nothing is free. If it's free, you're the product

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by amitport »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #169
bayindirh wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they didn't want to openly say "Microsoft gives us GPUs and allows us to use them for free, hence practically buys us. In return we almost exclusively license what we produce to them, for free." Because it looks bad. Microsoft wants to be seen in a different light, and OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. It's all smoke and mirrors.

> OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. Does anybody actually believe this? Their name has been a running joke for years already.

The openAI brand is now recognized much beyond the circles that know anything about it.

For most people it is "the chatGPT organization" and nothing more.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by linhns »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #169
bayindirh wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they didn't want to openly say "Microsoft gives us GPUs and allows us to use them for free, hence practically buys us. In return we almost exclusively license what we produce to them, for free." Because it looks bad. Microsoft wants to be seen in a different light, and OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. It's all smoke and mirrors.

> OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. Does anybody actually believe this? Their name has been a running joke for years already.

I believe ChatGPT spewed this out. No one seems to know what's the cap of it so "capped-profit" is crap.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by Firmwarrior »

Keyframe wrote: post #126
yellow_postit wrote: post #95

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_startup has no shot once incumbent comes to their senses_ is a claim that I think HackerNews of all places would be cautious in believing too fully. Is it likely Google or others with large Research wings can compete with OpenAI? Very probably so, but I’m assigning a non trivial risk that the proverbial emperor has no clothes and incumbents like Google cannot effectively respond to OpenAI given the unique constraint…

You _do_ understand everything we've seen from OpenAI Google already showed us they have? Not to mention OG research and being the primary r&d force behind vast majority of AI you're seeing. They haven't put it in hands of users as directly yet though, reasons to be speculated upon.

Sounds a lot like Xerox and GUIs, Microsoft and Web 2.0, Microsoft and smartphones, etc

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by [deleted] »

amitport wrote: post #174
OnlineGladiator wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. Does anybody actually believe this? Their name has been a running joke for years already.

The openAI brand is now recognized much beyond the circles that know anything about it. For most people it is "the chatGPT organization" and nothing more.

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Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by zxienin »

londons_explore wrote: post #140

Let me translate this blog post out of corpspeak...: OpenAI has agreed to use Azure exclusively and for free, in return for Azure massively scaling up it's GPU capacity (which OpenAI was hitting before, hence threatening to move). In return, OpenAI gives an extensive license to Microsoft to use ChatGPT in Bing (and other products). Now why couldn't the blog post have just said that rather than hiding all the details?

Just TL;DR such corporate news release with ChatGPT.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by Der_Einzige »

thethimble wrote: post #78
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #62

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Yes, it's pure marketing and totally disingenuous. It's like being called OpenAI while nothing is open. It's interesting research done by terrible people.

These “terrible people” seem to have catapulted the world into a generative AI world. They genuinely believe they will build AGI and therefore becoming the world’s most valuable company is a natural consequence. Whether this is possible/probable is a different story, but I think a capped profit structure makes logical sense for the company that is aiming to create AGI. Would you want this technology instead in the ha…

Huggingface and maybe Stability catapulted us into that world. Not OpenAI

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by jefftk »

linhns wrote: post #175
OnlineGladiator wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. Does anybody actually believe this? Their name has been a running joke for years already.

I believe ChatGPT spewed this out. No one seems to know what's the cap of it so "capped-profit" is crap.

The profit cap started out as 100x investment:

economic returns for investors and employees are capped (with the cap negotiated in advance on a per-limited partner basis). Any excess returns go to OpenAI Nonprofit. Our goal is to ensure that most of the value (monetary or otherwise) we create if successful benefits everyone, so we think this is an important first step. Returns for our first round of investors are capped at 100x their investment (commensurate with the risks in front of us), and we expect this multiple to be lower for future rounds as we make further progress.

https://openai.com/blog/openai-lp/

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