OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership • Hacker News Board

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by rvz » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:01 PM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #103

rvz wrote: post #70

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Yes. 25 Years and Microsoft has gotten much smarter with EEE. Making the best developer tools for free or at least close to free is another form of extinguish and they have just done that with OpenAI and GitHub.

> Making the best developer tools for free or at least close to free The bastards! Making and releasing high quality developer tools. We have to stop them! Has MS actually EEE'd anything in the last 25 years? I legit can't think of a single formerly-open thing that's been Microsofted via their own extensions.

The methods are different but the strategy is the same. They have used this strategy with Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), VSCode + extensions, Winget, Microsoft Teams, GitHub, and now OpenAI.

Microsoft can afford to maintain all these offerings for free whilst competitors suffocate and struggle to compete with their paid offerings.

You can't compete with free, especially when there is a company who can afford to run and host the best tools for free for a long time.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by mxkopy » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:02 PM UTC

jrochkind1 wrote: post #76

ProAm wrote: post #30

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I take this in the same vein as "Patagonia Founder Donates Company to Charity" and view it as a clever shell game.Mostly because Im cynical and have watched SV/VC game way too long to be healthy.

Oh, I think it's way more of a marketing scam than the Patagonia thing, which I think was kind of legit. This one doesn't even sound legit, even if they do exactly what they say... which is almost nothing. they aren't even really saying they'll do anything different with regard to profit. Patagonia, I think the founder and his heirs really have given up lots of profit they could have had, immediately, to dedicate it…

The Patagonia thing was not legit at all according to Adam Hates Everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cu6EbELZ6I

EDIT by "not legit" I mean "not authentic"

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by ricopags » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:06 PM UTC

codeisawesome wrote: post #122

drexlspivey wrote: post #28

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You can also pay for the new premium subscription for $42/month

Can’t seem to do that while the thing is down… wonder why they didn’t choose to separate the payment UX from the actual product.

Frustrated with the same question. The service doesn't need to be up to have a "buy pro and get in now" option. Seems like they're missing on ready conversions.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by echelon » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:07 PM UTC

dandiep wrote: post #107

adpirz wrote: post #61

For people more well versed in this space: does GPT / OpenAI more broadly have a meaningful moat? It seems like there will be a number of these models out there and this isn't as great as say Google's up-till-now advantage in search relevancy.

A couple points which I don't see elsewhere: 1) They have the best quality model. Better quality means more users. More users means more data. Which means higher quality... 2) operationalizing & scaling these these models is non-trivial. I'm not sure what the state of distillation/pruning is for GPT-3, but I imagine they have figured out some proprietary techniques. 3) It's not just publishing a single model, but mak…

> but making it so people can fine tune and push their own

How are they making it easy for people to fine tune their own?

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by rpmisms » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:08 PM UTC

This feels like an inflection point. Microsoft obviously sees huge upside, they're forking over a lot of value for this, and they must be expecting huge growth. Maybe Bing will be an amazing search engine in a couple years...

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by mejutoco » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:10 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #137

mejutoco wrote: post #102

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> There's nothing fundamental stopping Google Docs from adding ChatGPT to their UI and getting way more consumer training data than OpenAI can get without a similar play. OpenAI could get exactly the same (or more, idk) data by integrating into Teams, considering the Microsoft partnership.

There are definitely more people using Docs than Teams. I doubt that Microsoft will allow OpenAI to train on teams data from other businesses.

You might be right, do you have a source?

They are fine with tons of telemetry and candy crush ads on the start bar. There were also other instances were Microsoft shared data before Google.

In addition to that, one could argue they already share date from businesses source code with copilot.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by chabes » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:10 PM UTC

“Learn to code.”

That’s what folks were crassly saying to truck drivers, baristas, and cashiers.

The writing was/is on the wall: AI is only going to get more powerful and able to be applied to more and more complex tasks.

The thought was that “unskilled” labor would be the lowest hanging fruit, that automated AI - with some (but minimal) human oversight - would replace serious chunks of the workforce in various minimum-wage and “blue collar” sectors.

Machines don’t necessarily need to sleep, they don’t have labor unions, or laws that require healthcare or overtime pay. They don’t get upset, take things personally, seek revenge, or reciprocity like a person.

Sounds like that could be a threat to many kinds of jobs, many of them “bullshit jobs” (in the words of Graeber), but others as well.

It seems (to me, at least) that the more immanent threat is text-based AI - with some human oversight - replacing large swaths of the tech workforce (many of whom were leading the narrative about the truck drivers).

The incentives for companies like Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and others, to go this route are obvious, beyond the stated reasons why “low-skilled” labor is at risk. They already have enormous investments, acquisitions, projects, established platforms, and infrastructure related to AI.

I expect to see more partnerships like the one between Microsoft and OpenAI, from all of the major tech companies.

I also believe the connection between the acquisitions/partnerships and the mass layoffs will become more and more obvious as these acquisitions/partnerships continue to happen.

I can’t be the only person that is noticing this…

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by kenjackson » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:14 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #140

Let me translate this blog post out of corpspeak...: OpenAI has agreed to use Azure exclusively and for free, in return for Azure massively scaling up it's GPU capacity (which OpenAI was hitting before, hence threatening to move). In return, OpenAI gives an extensive license to Microsoft to use ChatGPT in Bing (and other products). Now why couldn't the blog post have just said that rather than hiding all the details?

What happens to the non-profit aspect of OpenAI as a result of this deal? How much money are we talking about, that is, what's the scale of the deal? Do you have any proof that building on Azure will work for OpenAI?

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by ivalm » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:15 PM UTC

awestroke wrote: post #117

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #85

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It is a for profit company in everything but name. That's my main complain. It has Musk, Thiel and Livingston amongst its initial investors, all known as the greatest philantropists of our time. /s I don't understand why they put this thin veneer on top of what they are doing. Maybe Thiel was burnt with the bad press surrounding Palantir and this is preventive damage control.

It's literally a nonprofit

It is not literally a non-profit. As far as legally recognized organizations it is a limited partnership with a now minority ownership held by a non-profit.

Re: OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

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Post by napier » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:16 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #130

lonelyasacloud wrote: post #109

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Google apparently has a market cap of around $1.200 Trillion based [0] largely on (for 2021) revenue of 256.7 billion U.S. dollars, of which 209.49 billion U.S. dollars came from advertising [1]. It's apparently fourth on the list of valuable companies [4] If OpenAI takes a good chunk of Google's ad revenues then it doesn't seem that fanciful that it'll be up toward the top of market caps. [0] https://companiesmarket…

> If OpenAI takes a good chunk of Google's ad revenues then it doesn't seem that fanciful that it'll be up toward the top of market caps. OpenAI taking a large chunk of Google's ad revenue seems fanciful to me

More likely they bork a large chunk of Google's ad revenue by making information search and retrieval usable again under a UBI rationing to fast but not cheap tiered freemium model. That's before you consider information generation, process management greasing and problem solving potential use cases.