Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools • Hacker News Board

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by jdmichal » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:28 PM UTC

jackson1442 wrote: post #24

Pulcinella wrote: post #10

In Florida, school librarians are called "media specialists" and hold media specialist certificates. A rule passed by the Florida Department of Education last week states that a "library media center" includes any books made available to students, including in classrooms. This means that classroom libraries that are curated by teachers, not librarians, are now illegal. Prepare for “route around the damage” moment whe…

> the fact that it is a felony seems particularly aggressive to me Agreed. There's really not analogy for this in the professional world, except for things that are _already a crime_ like fraud or negligence. I don't think most people on HN could be prosecuted just for failing to do their job to the satisfaction of their local government.

There are certainly industry-specific constraints which include legal burdens. Just a subset of ones I'm personally familiar with:

* Security clearances.

* Know Your Customer (KYC) and Anti-Money Laundering (AML) in finance.

* HIPAA in healthcare.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:29 PM UTC

yakireev wrote: post #323

seanw444 wrote: post #230

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I don't step in non-constitutional-carry states. The good thing is that, with the exception of basically Florida, there are no states I care to visit that don't already have it. The problem is traveling to those states. I'm temporarily a felon to get there, even though it is my right to keep and bear that handgun nationally. Beats me. I will not contribute my money to a government that does not allow me my rights, an…

> I will not contribute my money to a government that does not allow me my rights, and will also not disarm myself Out of curiosity, do you ever travel out of your country? If yes, how do you deal with the gun issue? If no, how do you feel about being locked within your national borders?

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Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by MonkeyMalarky » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:29 PM UTC

jackson1442 wrote: post #24

Pulcinella wrote: post #10

In Florida, school librarians are called "media specialists" and hold media specialist certificates. A rule passed by the Florida Department of Education last week states that a "library media center" includes any books made available to students, including in classrooms. This means that classroom libraries that are curated by teachers, not librarians, are now illegal. Prepare for “route around the damage” moment whe…

> the fact that it is a felony seems particularly aggressive to me Agreed. There's really not analogy for this in the professional world, except for things that are _already a crime_ like fraud or negligence. I don't think most people on HN could be prosecuted just for failing to do their job to the satisfaction of their local government.

Except for every licensed profession from skilled trades like electricians and plumbers to healthcare workers like nurses and EMTs.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by therealdrag0 » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:29 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #226

NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #154

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A quick search suggests that other third-degree felonies in Florida are things like: felony battery, aggravated assault, carrying a concealed firearm without a license and resisting a law enforcement officer with violence. All rather mind-blowing to be honest.

with all of the other inane laws that have come before this, this is still mind-blowing? with all of the rhetoric from the governor on all of the other topics, this is still mind-blowing? yes, it's absolutely an abhorrent thing to do and is just dumb at all levels, but is it mind-blowing or "of course they did this" kind of stupid?

Why are you expecting everyone to follow Florida politics and news as closely as you and have the same calibration of what is expected to happen there or not?

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Post by jackson1442 » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:30 PM UTC

phpisthebest wrote: post #295

jonathankoren wrote: post #174

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If you can fix a M2A2 Bradley, you’re qualified to teach calculus? I’m not sure I follow.

Well in some states having a Masters in Math would not qualify you to teach math because you do not have a Teaching Degree... Government regulations rarely make any logical sense

a masters in math doesn't necessarily mean you're good at teaching it, see anyone with a computer science degree.

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Post by mindslight » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:31 PM UTC

the_only_law wrote: post #300

panzagl wrote: post #270

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Even better, most of those books laying around are purchased by the teachers themselves out of their own money. So if my wife had a kid who's fascinated by bulldozers, she'll go to a thrift store and look for books on bulldozers so he could read something that interested them. Which if we lived in Manatee County Florida would be a felony because she'd be grooming him to screw a bulldozer, apparently.

I gotta say it would be tempting to do something like this just to watch the fascist bureaucrats’ reactions.

The reaction where you get a court summons in the mail, unless you apologize profusely and profess your allegiance to the Party? Or the reaction where they take your picture while you're screwing the bulldozer, to fuel their strawman political campaigns?

The entire point of laws like this is to empower the bureaucrats with a credible truncheon, so that you can't just laugh away their self-important nonsense. "Not so funny now is it, funny man?"

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Post by lostlogin » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:33 PM UTC

prettyStandard wrote: post #274

jonathankoren wrote: post #174

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If you can fix a M2A2 Bradley, you’re qualified to teach calculus? I’m not sure I follow.

Veterans are by definition M2A2 Bradley mechanics? I'm not sure I follow.

They aren’t teachers, that’s the only bit that matters.

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Post by jdmichal » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:34 PM UTC

yakireev wrote: post #323

seanw444 wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't step in non-constitutional-carry states. The good thing is that, with the exception of basically Florida, there are no states I care to visit that don't already have it. The problem is traveling to those states. I'm temporarily a felon to get there, even though it is my right to keep and bear that handgun nationally. Beats me. I will not contribute my money to a government that does not allow me my rights, an…

> I will not contribute my money to a government that does not allow me my rights, and will also not disarm myself Out of curiosity, do you ever travel out of your country? If yes, how do you deal with the gun issue? If no, how do you feel about being locked within your national borders?

The US is a big and varied place. One could certainly spend an entire lifetime here and not feel left out of much. And I say this as someone with a meager but existent share of international travel under my belt.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by alasdair_ » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:35 PM UTC

kjghkjghkjgh wrote: post #320

ElfinTrousers wrote: post #309

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It's almost as if they're looking ahead to the next generation and reckoning that educated people are less likely to vote Republican.

Richer people vote Republican while poorer vote Democrat [1]. Being "educated" doesn't mean what you think it means [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/exit-polls EDIT: Since I can't reply the the threads below me, "education" can't just be had in the classroom. In fact as an experienced developer almost all of my education was outside the classroom. I suspect this is the case for most fields. EDIT 2:…

Older people vote Republican. Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth than those just starting out.

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Post by MonkeyMalarky » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:36 PM UTC

schulboy wrote: post #161

mfer wrote: post #115

Context as to what's happening in US schools... This highlights part of the growing movement and disagreement around culture shaping through kids. To highlight this, if you take a look at school of educations mission statement[1] > Through commitment to innovation, social justice, excellence in teaching and research, and partnerships, the School of Teacher Education will position itself as a national leader in shapin…

“Back in my day…” there was a crusade against Christian prayer and what not. Keep things neutral - to the point that teachers who were otherwise obviously religious would completely dodge the topic when my intellectually curious atheist self asked on topics. Now we’re back at teachers here-and-they’re wanting to assert their belief system in the classroom and activist parents seeking to eliminate this issue… only the…

There might be a slight difference between prayers in classrooms and books being available in a library for children to check out if interested. Unless you're suggesting that all material containing any religious content or characters also be excluded from libraries in the name of neutrality?