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Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

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Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

#191
It is not about HN or The Guardian. Something new always excites our mind and we get addicted to finding something new, something exciting each day.

The first thing is to realize this addiction to escape the present in the form of looking for new information.

Write about it everyday. Slowly, learn to discipline your mind. Make a habit to sit in silence, doing literally nothing for half an hour or so.

One thing you can tell yourself everyday is that every time you do something that is not highly relevant for your wellbeing, you will have less energy or focus for things that actually are.

From there on you can ask yourself, how relevant and useful it is to spend time on HN for your well being or for your experience of life.

Again, it is not about HN, humans find it very hard to face the plain everyday life against the sugary new information. We want it more and more.

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

#192

For me: (1) Recognize that if I'm struggling to focus, I'm probably either (a) not interested in what I'm doing or (b) have too much on my plate. (2) If I'm struggling to focus day after day, find something else to do. (3) If I have too much on my plate, insist that my employer lighten the load or, once again, find something else to do. It's not easy. Taken to its logical conclusion, I'm suggesting quitting jobs that…

> I've found there's no solution to getting me to be productive in a job I hate, am not interested in, or demands too much and sets me up for failure

I can deal with the first and last, but the second is impossible.

If your job bores me I just cannot do it.

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

#193
As with others, "poorly", though I've made some attempts.

I keep my principle mobile device (an e-ink tablet) free of virtually all authenticated services. (An articles-clipping app is the one exception). I can read HN, but cannot engage from that device specifically.

I'll also try to turn off WiFi at least when possible.

HN as an article-filtering tool works well. Combining that with Algolia Search's time-bounded search, you can filter by the most popular stories of the past week, month, or year, which can be an interesting further restriction by entering a blank search:

Week: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastWeek&page=0&prefix=fal...>

Month: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=fa...>

Year: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal...>

As always, "popular" isn't a synonym for "best", though it is a reasonable proxy.

You can also of course search for specific topics or people of interest, though here story search is often less useful than comment search, for which matches tend to be more likely and relevant. Note that comment votes were removed from publicly-exposed data ... a long time ago? Apparently 2011: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2595605>, though I thought it was more recent.

You can also visit "past" which will show previous days' posts, after the voting has largely settled. Again, this tends to filter out lower-quality content.

Otherwise:

- I'm trying to read or at least skim the article before reading comments, though that's one of those "observed in the breach" pledges...

- Recognise that comment quality on HN, whilst higher than most other significant online sites ... is still fairly poor relative to more curated sources, and there's a great deal of partisanship and ignorance (myself included) in discussion.

- "You don't have to attend every fight you're invited to", a/k/a "Someone is wrong on the Internet" https://xkcd.com/386>.

- The HN Hivemind itself tends to glom on to specific topics and ideas more readily than others. I'm reminded of this every time I review my own submissions --- the stuff I'd really like to see take off rarely does, though there are occasional exceptions. It's usually either throwaway or predictable submissions which do get attention. (The submission queue is fickle, there is the Second-Chance Pool ("Pool": https://news.ycombinator.com/pool>) to which you can both submit and peruse usually higher-quality / less immediately catnippy articles.)

- Time-boxing is underappreciated. Recognise what role HN does play in your life, and admit it at times but only in a limited fashion. You have 24 hours in a day, and probably about 2--4 hours per day which you can tightly focus on intellectual content. You're going to need to allocate that to work, personal matters, and general distraction. "Eat the frog first", put your most important tasks earlier in the day. (Much of this comes from David Allen's Getting Things Done.)

- I've also tried to apply a "BOTI" principle to what I encounter. That's "best of the interval", where "interval" is day, week, month, year, etc. I'll try to capture what seem both at the time and on later reflection to be the most significant articles, books, ideas, etc., I've encountered. This is partially reflected in the Algolia tips above, though I'll also keep a local list (bookmarks folder for "BOTI-Jan-2023", say, or a save-to-ePub EinkBro compilation on my e-book reader). There's the question then of whether or not that material actually was as compelling as thought at the time, and of course, the challenge of actually reading what I've archived. But it's at least an effort at organisation.

That said: the struggle is real and constant.

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

#194
post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm convinced that multi-tasking leads to brain damage over time.

Kinda like WFH, this varies a lot from people to people. Well, I don't know about the damage part, but definitely, for some of us, intense multitasking leads to cognitive decline (it was reversed for me hence why I said "I don't know about the damage part") I spent a few years working on a Support team, at least a couple of those years managing that team, and part of my job involved being interruptible with a very sh…

Is your friend in support engineering truly being interrupted however? I think it has a lot to do with stack depth. Working on task A, then being interrupted to work on task B only to be interrupted again to work on task C is the source of brain damage - particularly for those who care about being productive.

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

#195
post #176

Pi Hole with my own blocklist. That is, I block all of my problem sites, then let someone else set my pihole password and then I delete my ssh key off the server. Then on the phone, remove all apps that allows consumption (social media, games, readers, youtube, even the browser). Debloat it with adb too. Switch off all notification except for your main chat app (like whatsapp) and alarms. If still too distracting, se…

This seems like a very puritanical viewpoint. So much so, that it's a little peculiar and almost feels like a caricature. A life of avoidance does not help an ADHD brain, and the idea that your brain wants stuff to do is not the case at all. You will burn out very quickly going down that path. You'll get much further just taking a few times a day to slow your thoughts via meditation or engaging in a passive activity…

I think some people need to go very puritanical to survive and to succeed in the modern world with its almost-constant easy access to entertainments, distractions and mental stimulations.

I'm probably one of them. And the meds I have tried typically prescribed for ADHD have done more harm than good. Specifically I've tried Ritalin, Adderal and modafinil.

Actually that is not true: modafinil did more good than harm, and the other 2 weren't significantly harmful (because I was smart enough to stop taking them as soon as I noticed they didn't help on net).

But the point is that modafinil didn't help me with the problem we are discussing here. (Modafinil reduces the amount of REM sleep I get, even if I take it in the morning, and my trying modafinil is what caused me to notice that reducing my REM sleep would be a good idea, which motivated me to find a better non-drug way to reduce REM sleep, after which I had no use for modafinil.)

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

#197
I've never been diagnosed with ADHD but I've been trying to reduce distractions for a long time and the one thing that was extremely effective for me was going to the office and taking a desk in a busy region with my back against interior rather than the windows, this made my monitors visible to everyone. The constant feeling of being judged made it impossible to get distracted and I was extremely productive when I was at the office.

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

#198
post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda like WFH, this varies a lot from people to people. Well, I don't know about the damage part, but definitely, for some of us, intense multitasking leads to cognitive decline (it was reversed for me hence why I said "I don't know about the damage part") I spent a few years working on a Support team, at least a couple of those years managing that team, and part of my job involved being interruptible with a very sh…

Is your friend in support engineering truly being interrupted however? I think it has a lot to do with stack depth. Working on task A, then being interrupted to work on task B only to be interrupted again to work on task C is the source of brain damage - particularly for those who care about being productive.

"The cost of an interruption is not just the time it takes, but that it breaks the time on either side in half. You probably only have to interrupt someone a couple times a day before they're unable to work on hard problems at all." -- PG

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

#199
post #185

With ADHD, a single HN post could have me following source material and child nodes up to 5-6 layers deep. Once the time-blindness wears off, the anxiety sets in you realize hours have passed and outstanding work is due soon. What sort of worked: - Blocking web sites during work hours (SelfControl for MacOS and NextDNS for devices) What did work: - Consistent sleep schedule (10PM) - Mindfulness meditation in the morn…

> Working in a different environment

By this, do you mean working in a different physical environment from where you relax? Or continuously changing your work environment? Or something else?

Re: Ask HN: How do ADHD people cope on here?

#200

> it’s worse than my addiction to The Guardian. It's not :) Compared to other sites, HN is quite a healthy place. News are anxiogenic, and Twitter is as toxic as it gets. Moderation makes a good job of keeping the place sane, and even if it's just reading the headlines and comments, at least we kind of know what's going in the tech world.

Wasting the one non-renewable resource that we possess (time) is a problem, no matter which comforting delusion we use to justify it.

Only waste if it's defined as such. People get to decide how "bad" spending time doing things is for themselves.
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