The link to the paper wasn't loading for me. But I would love to see the reasons for extrapolating present-day biology back 250k years?
A fundamental tenet of much modern science (and, especially, punditry) is that humans have completed the evolutionary process.
Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
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#42A lot to unpack (read - wildly speculate about) here. 10,000 generations ago. Like the next one but less of a "solved game". 1000 generations ago - Old men coupling with young women reads as small-scale tribal society to me. Polygamy, pride-of-lions. Groups are small enough that village elders control the, uh, means of production. The bottleneck on food is natural stocks. 200-300 generations ago lines up with the daw…
I watch a lot of old movies (30s-40s-50s). A ton of them have a 40s-50s man marrying a 20s woman. No idea if that was societal norm, mens fantasy, or whatever. I have to kind of believe movie execs would want the largest audience and so if 40s-50s men dating 20s women was not appealing to women of the time they'd been losing 1/2 the market. But, maybe these particular movies were the male equivalent of romance novels…
https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/familie...
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
A fundamental tenet of much modern science (and, especially, punditry) is that humans have completed the evolutionary process.
There are no modern scientists who understand evolution and think it can be "completed" or that humans have done so. If you stand by your assertion, please provide evidence.
Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#44A lot to unpack (read - wildly speculate about) here. 10,000 generations ago. Like the next one but less of a "solved game". 1000 generations ago - Old men coupling with young women reads as small-scale tribal society to me. Polygamy, pride-of-lions. Groups are small enough that village elders control the, uh, means of production. The bottleneck on food is natural stocks. 200-300 generations ago lines up with the daw…
I watch a lot of old movies (30s-40s-50s). A ton of them have a 40s-50s man marrying a 20s woman. No idea if that was societal norm, mens fantasy, or whatever. I have to kind of believe movie execs would want the largest audience and so if 40s-50s men dating 20s women was not appealing to women of the time they'd been losing 1/2 the market. But, maybe these particular movies were the male equivalent of romance novels…
Plus, movies always operated in fashions. What was depicted was heavily limited by big studios policies and by mandated codes. These limited topics and the way things were shown.
Movies are not reality and never were. They don't depict real life now either.
Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#45A lot to unpack (read - wildly speculate about) here. 10,000 generations ago. Like the next one but less of a "solved game". 1000 generations ago - Old men coupling with young women reads as small-scale tribal society to me. Polygamy, pride-of-lions. Groups are small enough that village elders control the, uh, means of production. The bottleneck on food is natural stocks. 200-300 generations ago lines up with the daw…
I watch a lot of old movies (30s-40s-50s). A ton of them have a 40s-50s man marrying a 20s woman. No idea if that was societal norm, mens fantasy, or whatever. I have to kind of believe movie execs would want the largest audience and so if 40s-50s men dating 20s women was not appealing to women of the time they'd been losing 1/2 the market. But, maybe these particular movies were the male equivalent of romance novels…
I’m used to the idea of actors and weird new age dudes doing it in the US, but it seems rare for normal people.
Re: Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
#46A lot to unpack (read - wildly speculate about) here. 10,000 generations ago. Like the next one but less of a "solved game". 1000 generations ago - Old men coupling with young women reads as small-scale tribal society to me. Polygamy, pride-of-lions. Groups are small enough that village elders control the, uh, means of production. The bottleneck on food is natural stocks. 200-300 generations ago lines up with the daw…
I watch a lot of old movies (30s-40s-50s). A ton of them have a 40s-50s man marrying a 20s woman. No idea if that was societal norm, mens fantasy, or whatever. I have to kind of believe movie execs would want the largest audience and so if 40s-50s men dating 20s women was not appealing to women of the time they'd been losing 1/2 the market. But, maybe these particular movies were the male equivalent of romance novels…
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#48Tbh, I thought in early humans females got pregnant at 12-15. Simply because that when they begin to have the capability to have kids.
I would hazard that they are accounted for. People had very many children, only some children survived, some of those reproduced again, I would also guess that the mothers who would die during pregnancy or during childbirth would encounter that at one of the earlier in life pregnancies, and no longer be contributing to the average. I could see all that together supporting the average age of 23.
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#49Tbh, I thought in early humans females got pregnant at 12-15. Simply because that when they begin to have the capability to have kids.
I know that's a common conception about the past, but what's the actual evidence for it? There are plenty of social and religious norms even today that keep people from getting together too young. There's also no reason not to think people at the time understood how sex and pregnancy worked. They didn't have the internet but they were as intelligent as we are today. I'm sure they could figure out how to have "fun" wi…
Biological fertility as a baseline only slightly modified by social norms seems to be a good guess.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are no modern scientists who understand evolution and think it can be "completed" or that humans have done so. If you stand by your assertion, please provide evidence.
Not parent commenter, but what can be argued is that evolutions “rules” are way different to us then to any other animal (except the ones we closely handle ourselves). E.g. healing people, far smaller infant death rates, no basically no food scarcity from natural causes, etc. Our selection process is societal, not “natural”.