Study reveals average age at conception for men vs. women over past 250k years
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#22Tbh, I thought in early humans females got pregnant at 12-15. Simply because that when they begin to have the capability to have kids.
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#23Somewhat grim, but this has to be disregarding the humans who never reach the reproductive age or the ones who cannot keep their offspring alive. So there is some survivorship bias baked into the methodology.
So everyone who has a parent is included - which is everyone who ever lived.
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#24The link to the paper wasn't loading for me. But I would love to see the reasons for extrapolating present-day biology back 250k years?
A fundamental tenet of much modern science (and, especially, punditry) is that humans have completed the evolutionary process.
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#25Tbh, I thought in early humans females got pregnant at 12-15. Simply because that when they begin to have the capability to have kids.
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#26The link to the paper wasn't loading for me. But I would love to see the reasons for extrapolating present-day biology back 250k years?
And similar genetic studies work on other species so that's even more evidence it's reasonable generic a technique.
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#27There's power asymmetry, people are monsters and sexual predation is rampant but there's also biological feasibility at play here.
To demonstrate, let's say that we have an imaginary equalityville where for every age pairing and sex act, there is an exactly equal one with the ages swapped - as in mathematically perfect equality.
In equalityville occasionally 45 year old men sleep with 35 year old woman. But every time, a 45 year old woman sleeps with a 35 year old man, coincidentally, at the exact same time, doing equal things, in another part of town.
However, 45 year old woman give birth rarely. Let's say it's 1/99th the rate of the 35 year olds.
So there's
1000 45 year old women with 35 year old men resulting in 10 births
1000 45 year old men with 35 year old women resulting in 990 births
Now we're going to calculate the average age based on the babies.
Women (990 * 35 + 10 * 45)/1000 = 35.1
Men (990 * 45 + 10 * 35)/1000 = 44.9
And thus we get our paradox because we're counting by live births. So long as there are age delta pairings past some set of constraints, the male average will drift upward.
It'd be interesting to normalize for that. This is probably doable since actual fertility statistics are well studied.
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#28TIL: I must be having a past life regression
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#29Tbh, I thought in early humans females got pregnant at 12-15. Simply because that when they begin to have the capability to have kids.
There are plenty of social and religious norms even today that keep people from getting together too young.
There's also no reason not to think people at the time understood how sex and pregnancy worked. They didn't have the internet but they were as intelligent as we are today. I'm sure they could figure out how to have "fun" without always having kids.
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#30Tbh, I thought in early humans females got pregnant at 12-15. Simply because that when they begin to have the capability to have kids.
Those numbers aren't constant or the same for every group of people. There are genetic pools where girls reach puberty earlier than that. Ex: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms8672
"The median age at menarche was 14.5 years (95% CI=14–15; Nindividuals=128; Nobservations=199), which is within the range of variation of modern populations."