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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by bognition »

kirsebaer wrote: post #158
eric4smith wrote: post #151

A lot of my reason for googling was to find facts or answers for what I’m writing or coding. Now I use ChatGPT as an “assistant” to do a lot of tasks that I would have normally done with laborious searching through google. It truly saves a lot of time. Google is right to be quite worried. Sure I still use google but really, maybe only 40% of as much time as I did before. Why research: “give me 30 of the most common h…

ChatGPT often makes up facts. It outputs stuff that looks like it could have been written by a human, not stuff that is correct. Don’t use ChatGPT for medical research.

Absolutely the case, but also people make up stuff online all the time, so google has this exact same problem.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by amelius »

waterhouse wrote: post #43
grumpyprole wrote: post #21

I've played with ChatGPT and see it as (at best) just complimentary to existing approaches. Unfortunately, I also see it as a vector of misinformation and potentially harmful. It appears highly knowledgeable on topics that I know little about, but otherwise it's replies are often riddled with errors and inaccuracies. It also seems unable to quote sources or references for such information. It seems reasonable to use…

Never tried it myself, but a question comes to mind: Can you ask it to state how confident it is in the truth of its answer? Is it well-calibrated in that sense? If so, perhaps that'd make it more useful.

You should always add "answer in the style of a drunkard" to any prompt. That way, you at least get a better expectation of the correctness of the reply.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by sixQuarks »

Word is ChatGTP is going to start charging $42/month for advanced access to their service.

Google currently makes about $6 per user for search.

It seems like the revenue model for AI search is better suited as a monthly payment, no ads.

So Google could charge, say $15/month, for AI Search, no ads, and still keep their regular search business. I wouldn't count Google out just yet, as much as I wish they would be disrupted. Search has become a joke

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by jerjerjer »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #99
dpkirchner wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would guess they are less concerned about where ChatGPT is today than where it will be in 5 years.

Even more convincing when it is wrong?

ChatGPT lacks the ability to prove that output is factually correct (which is an interesting but distinct problem). However, as long as the answer is derivative of supplied information, ChatGPT shines. Even today it can already:

- Write coherent short stories based on a prompt

- Be a personal diary/assistant

- Summarize and extract information from text.

There's a lot of applications for that.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by amelius »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #75

I don't understand why they freak out. Every single time I have used ChatGPT (which isn't many), it gave me an absolutely unusable answer completely off the mark. It's funny to see FAANG CEOs have FOMO over what is essentially smoke and mirrors.

It's because the tech is moving very fast.

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Post by jb1991 »

speedylight wrote: post #163
jb1991 wrote: post #144

> Google now intends to unveil more than 20 new products I actually laughed out loud at that one.

You’ll laugh even harder when they get shut down a few years later.

No, I'm already laughing for that exact reason.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by jillesvangurp »

type-r wrote: post #145
jillesvangurp wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My impression is that he's not a leader but a care taker. This article kind of shows the two founders swooping in for some emergency leadership. That's not a good look. I think they've been coasting on their past glory for a decade now. Yes they make money but otherwise they are just doing more of the same and just building out the stuff they've had for more than a decade (Search, Ads, Youtube, Maps, Android, etc.).…

YouTube and Netflix revenues are actually almost exactly the same. Now that Netflix has launched an ad-supported version, I'm not sure how important paid vs. non-paid accounts are in considerations of who's doing better vs. worse.

Google went for premium content with Youtube many times. And it flopped every time. That's the point: they've been trying to make more of it and they have failed over and over again. Ads are what drives the revenue because in the end that's the only thing they know how to do. Youtube itself is indeed a good business; it's a nice business. And with an ad blocker I find it very enjoyable. Great acquisition more than 15 years ago.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by eric4smith »

kirsebaer wrote: post #158
eric4smith wrote: post #151

A lot of my reason for googling was to find facts or answers for what I’m writing or coding. Now I use ChatGPT as an “assistant” to do a lot of tasks that I would have normally done with laborious searching through google. It truly saves a lot of time. Google is right to be quite worried. Sure I still use google but really, maybe only 40% of as much time as I did before. Why research: “give me 30 of the most common h…

ChatGPT often makes up facts. It outputs stuff that looks like it could have been written by a human, not stuff that is correct. Don’t use ChatGPT for medical research.

I Clearly said we use google to confirm the AI output.

And we also do not do medical stuff. I just used that as an example.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by throwaway2214 »

funstuff007 wrote: post #73

I would posit that it's more Microsoft freaking out over ChatGPT than Google. MSFT will never get that $10 billion back.

shutterstock just introduced shutterstock AI partnering with dall-e

they will get it back quite quickly

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