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Re: Holmes Belongs in Prison, Not $13,000-a-Month Manor, US Says

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Post by helloworld11 » Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 10:59 PM UTC

pksebben wrote: post #52

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In general, wealthy people make up a small proportion of the population and tend (though not always) towards greater intelligence, or at least education, than the average. Both of these factors make them less likely to show up in prisons in general. It doesn't have to be about connections and special favors. Sure, many wealthy people can afford better legal defense and the justice system definitely makes things easie…

> In general, wealthy people make up a small proportion of the population and tend (though not always) towards greater intelligence, or at least education, than the average What makes you think this?

That they make up a small proportion of the population is indisputable. Just check disposable wealth demographics. That they tend toward greater average intelligence than many in the average is certainly much more debatable, but at least in terms of access to better education resources, yes. Though I think that yes, on average, many of those who made their own wealth are better at problem solving and planning than the average.

Re: Holmes Belongs in Prison, Not $13,000-a-Month Manor, US Says

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Post by lfodofod » Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 2:14 AM UTC

stu432 wrote: post #60

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Cash bail totally exists in the UK, even if uncommon. I’ve had to hand over money to get a friend out after he was arrested due to an extradition request. > If you've done something very bad, or are a big flight risk you will not be granted bail, but again, not a money issue It absolutely is a money issue. The bigger surety you can put up, the less those things matter.

It absolutely is not. It's about risk of absconding. Secondly, no, cash bail is not a thing in the UK. Someone being arrested in the UK for extradition is not part of the UK justice system, they are merely passing through at the request of a foreign nation. Unsurprisingly, foreign nationals can't have their passport taken away by a foreign country, who'd have thought?!?!??!

You are very confidently wrong, but still wrong.

>It's about risk of absconding

And putting up a bigger deposit obviously helps address that risk.

>Secondly, no, cash bail is not a thing in the UK

It is. In the UK it’s called a bail security. It’s not common, but absolutely a thing.

See on lexisnexis https://www.lexisnexis.co.uk/legal/guidance/securities-suret...

>Someone being arrested in the UK for extradition is not part of the UK justice system

Absolutely is, and the rules regarding bail are the same.

>Unsurprisingly, foreign nationals can't have their passport taken away by a foreign country, who'd have thought?!?!?

What? Of course they can. It’s not at all unusual for people bailed for crimes in the UK to be required to surrender their foreign passports.

Re: Holmes Belongs in Prison, Not $13,000-a-Month Manor, US Says

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Post by ihatepython » Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 6:33 AM UTC

listenallyall wrote: post #26

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I think they should send her to prison, but conditionally release her for 48 hours so that she can help to solve a crime.

48 Hrs. is a fantastic movie -- maybe Eddie Murphy's best (and first) -- but I need you to explain the connection between that film and Elizabeth Holmes or her current situation.

I'd have to say that Eddie Murphy's best movie is actually 'Best Defense'.

But perhaps the plot for Holmes could be that she has 48 hours to find out who is responsible for Covid-19. Teaming up with Fox Mulder and Dana Scully, the unlikely trio find themselves in a race against time. Was it Fauci? Or someone else?