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Interesting to me that the Venn diagram of the group of people who want "prison reform" and an end to overincarceration and the group of people who want Holmes locked up with the key thrown away is basically a perfect circle. Is Holmes such an imminent danger to society that she needs locked up and cordoned off from our communities?
That's basic logic and fairness.
The two extremes are almost always both wrong.
Interesting to me that the Venn diagram of the group of people who want "prison reform" and an end to overincarceration and the group of people who want Holmes locked up with the key thrown away is basically a perfect circle. Is Holmes such an imminent danger to society that she needs locked up and cordoned off from our communities?
Likely a similar Venn diagram of people who say “the US should stop meddling in other countries problems” and then vehemently support arming Ukraine.
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Likely a similar Venn diagram of people who say “the US should stop meddling in other countries problems” and then vehemently support arming Ukraine.
Nuance exists. Facts matter. The correct answer to every question isn't a universal constant known in advance of every possible question.
Interesting to me that the Venn diagram of the group of people who want "prison reform" and an end to overincarceration and the group of people who want Holmes locked up with the key thrown away is basically a perfect circle. Is Holmes such an imminent danger to society that she needs locked up and cordoned off from our communities?
Punishment isn’t only about the crime in the past. Punishment is used as deterrence against possible future crimes by others - to show what will happen if they do something similar
> there is one criminal justice system in this country. That's an illusion. There's almost no wealthy criminal that sees the walls of a prison - and if they do, they find ways to get out very quickly thanks to their connections.
Wow she tells her probation officers that she wants to figure out how to continue monetizing her patents. That’s all you need to know about Holmes right there…
Interesting to me that the Venn diagram of the group of people who want "prison reform" and an end to overincarceration and the group of people who want Holmes locked up with the key thrown away is basically a perfect circle. Is Holmes such an imminent danger to society that she needs locked up and cordoned off from our communities?
One can support reforms against punitive justice and still be disgusted by something like this, or one can also support prison reform while considering Holmes's crimes bad enough to merit a fairly strong degree of punishment in this specific case. Basically: complex subjects like this are full of nuance, and strawmen need not apply to and honest debate.
Wow she tells her probation officers that she wants to figure out how to continue monetizing her patents. That’s all you need to know about Holmes right there…
She's allowed to make money legitimately until she exhausted her appeals. She still owes a lot in restitution
Interesting to me that the Venn diagram of the group of people who want "prison reform" and an end to overincarceration and the group of people who want Holmes locked up with the key thrown away is basically a perfect circle. Is Holmes such an imminent danger to society that she needs locked up and cordoned off from our communities?
What’s especially worth considering here is what Holmes did: most people expect high standards for medical ethics since lying as she did could have irreversible impacts on people’s lives. Her fraud involved inaccurately telling people that they had cancer, or giving values which lead to changes in medication or other treatments. That isn’t as bad as it could have been – I don’t believe anyone was given a false negative on cancer, for example - but it’s absolutely toxic for trust in the medical system if it’s not strictly punished.
Similarly, as a corporate officer she lied repeatedly to investors, regulators, and the public.
What both of those have in common is that they’re positions of trust where fraud is relatively hard to catch. Millions of people are in positions where they could on a daily basis abuse their customers’ trust and potentially never be caught, and so we have to consider the deterrent effect as well. Doctors, bankers, CEOs, etc. are highly paid so a financial deterrent isn’t nearly as effective at preventing lapses as the possibility of jail time - your family trust can’t serve it for you - and those consequences also mean that the people around you aren’t going to help cover it up the way they might if it was profitable enough to look the other way.