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Re: Make up a guy

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

cassepipe wrote: post #10
walrus01 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parts of it remind me a lot of the black mirror episode where a person's upload is trapped in a "cookie" to do menial task automation. Particularly the part where an upload can be run a multiples of hundreds, or thousands of times real world wall clock time for "conditioning".

Which was I believe some christmas' special episode or something, and really the best I have seen of the whole series

A lot of the early episodes were really stomaches turning, and that's what made the series special. It started in the very first episode with an absolutely disgusting scenario that, none the less, was nearly 100% believable in how every step of its ridiculousness went down.

It wasn't stomach turning because of the pig thing, it was stomach turning because we knew, deep down, that we were exactly who it depicted us as.

Re: Make up a guy

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Post by pilotneko »

b112 wrote: post #70
throwaway4aday wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A mushroom is a weird example for empathy for a few reasons. First, the part you eat is really just the "fruit" or reproductive part of the mushroom that only lasts for a short time before withering away. Second, mushrooms very happily eat you after you die, hell, even before you die you're covered in all kinds of unicellular fungi which are actively trying to eat you. More to your philosophical point, the beauty of…

hell, even before you die you're covered in all kinds of unicellular fungi which are actively trying to eat you They started it first, Your Honour! not eliminating raising animals for meat entirely. I wonder. If we genetically engineered, maybe via a bio attack, so all cows were effected at once, a deadly disease? This disease would be a genetic illness, so that just a while after maturity, cows would become sick wit…

I know you are just arguing to argue at this point, but you can’t really think that creating a disease to cause crippling pain in livestock will make it more acceptable to eat them.

Re: Make up a guy

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Post by mik1998 »

b112 wrote: post #68
ianai wrote: post #42

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I read it. Unless I’m missing something, it amounts to making a slave race out of someone’s mind scan. So I’m someone who never eats animals nor animal products. This is in part from the sheer scale of that industry. But also from simply interacting with non-humans and knowing there’s enough intelligence there for me to honor and be horrified at the suffering or destruction of it. But I’m clearly in the minority here…

Unless I’m missing something, it amounts to making a slave race out of someone’s mind scan. So I’m someone who never eats animals nor animal products. I have always wondered why reincarnationists, when I talk to them, presume time is a directly mapped thing. I say to them, how do you not know, there is only one "soul", but you are just seeing it at different points in existence? How do you not know that you are that…

Reminds me of The Egg: http://galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

Re: Make up a guy

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Post by [deleted] »

b112 wrote: post #68
ianai wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read it. Unless I’m missing something, it amounts to making a slave race out of someone’s mind scan. So I’m someone who never eats animals nor animal products. This is in part from the sheer scale of that industry. But also from simply interacting with non-humans and knowing there’s enough intelligence there for me to honor and be horrified at the suffering or destruction of it. But I’m clearly in the minority here…

Unless I’m missing something, it amounts to making a slave race out of someone’s mind scan. So I’m someone who never eats animals nor animal products. I have always wondered why reincarnationists, when I talk to them, presume time is a directly mapped thing. I say to them, how do you not know, there is only one "soul", but you are just seeing it at different points in existence? How do you not know that you are that…

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Re: Make up a guy

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Post by Semaphor »

codeflo wrote: post #3

I encountered the author’s short story that’s linked in the article, Lena [1], a while ago, possibly here on HN. It’s really great, but be warned. It’s one of the most deeply disturbing sci-fi horror stories I’ve ever seen. To be clear, most of the horror is implied rather than described, which I think only makes it worse. Part of me wishes I had never read it. Highly recommended, but if you’re at all in doubt if you…

For someone who wants something less scary (Your comment and those that followed made me decide not to read it, I had enough from "I have no mouth, and I must scream"), I recently read Accelerando [0] by ~~the same author~~ the guy who runs the linked blog. Starts like transhumanist cyberpunk, becomes transhumanist and posthuman sci-fi. I never felt so lost in a book. Like I was the conservative who couldn’t understand the world as it is today.

[0]: https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/acceler...

Re: Make up a guy

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Post by password4321 »

sakoht wrote: post #28

A similar topic explored in the 2009 small movie Moon w/ Sam Rockwell (and Kevin Spacey as the robot voice). The main character doing labor on the moon figures out he is one of dozens of clones, and the original guy living his happy life back on earth. If you could clone yourself and have the clone take your burdens so your life was easier, is that a fair use of your own body and mind to do so? Clearly the jump to ou…

It's usually a big plot twist as early as half-way through the film, right? I feel bad even mentioning the most mainstream example I'm aware of (Oblivion with Tom Cruise, IMDb 7.0 where 6.0 is where watchable starts for me at least for sci-fi) because being able to experience it unaware is most of the fun!

Re: Make up a guy

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Post by gilleain »

blinding-streak wrote: post #56

Speaking of making a person.. at this startup I worked at years ago (before LinkedIn existed), it was a tiny shop and we were all maxed out time-wise. It was frustrating when we had to deal with incredibly persistent salespeople that wouldn't take no for an answer, and others that preyed on our time relentlessly for no apparent reason. So as a joke we invented a fake employee with a fake name. I think his first name…

> Harder to pull off these days, but not impossible I imagine!

Chat-gpt + text-to-speech? Seems like AI-employees who 'handle' marketing calls would be quite possible.

Of course, then the marketers make their own AIs, and it will end up with the majority of phone calls being robots talking to robots.

Re: Make up a guy

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Post by dTal »

>Coming to horrifying conclusions, by the way, isn't an intrinsically evil thing for an algorithm to do. It's just an algorithm. The problem comes when a human starts taking the algorithm's evil recommendations seriously, and acting on them

Have you tried "kill all the poor?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

Re: Make up a guy

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Post by b112 »

pilotneko wrote: post #72
b112 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hell, even before you die you're covered in all kinds of unicellular fungi which are actively trying to eat you They started it first, Your Honour! not eliminating raising animals for meat entirely. I wonder. If we genetically engineered, maybe via a bio attack, so all cows were effected at once, a deadly disease? This disease would be a genetic illness, so that just a while after maturity, cows would become sick wit…

I know you are just arguing to argue at this point, but you can’t really think that creating a disease to cause crippling pain in livestock will make it more acceptable to eat them.

No. But it would if bio-terrorists did it, and we were left with the result.

Or, should we let cows go extinct instead? Or suffer?

Just a thought and logic experiment.

Re: Make up a guy

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Post by Carioca »

gilleain wrote: post #77
blinding-streak wrote: post #56

Speaking of making a person.. at this startup I worked at years ago (before LinkedIn existed), it was a tiny shop and we were all maxed out time-wise. It was frustrating when we had to deal with incredibly persistent salespeople that wouldn't take no for an answer, and others that preyed on our time relentlessly for no apparent reason. So as a joke we invented a fake employee with a fake name. I think his first name…

> Harder to pull off these days, but not impossible I imagine! Chat-gpt + text-to-speech? Seems like AI-employees who 'handle' marketing calls would be quite possible. Of course, then the marketers make their own AIs, and it will end up with the majority of phone calls being robots talking to robots.

It's all fun and games until the chat-responder inadvertently buys the product. And when/if you reveal the deception, the other company sues. In AI court, obviously, where it will be decided by an AI judge
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