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Re: Ask HN: Where are all the parties?

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Post by lanstin »

dqpb wrote: post #315
jodrellblank wrote: post #302

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I was going to post the same complaint as the parent comment; for example: "Hard times create strong men" - maybe, but starvation doesn't make you strong. Being dead from disease doesn't make you strong. Rising to adversity might make some people stronger, but it will harm others who survive but are damaged. It could be that the already-strong people rise to adversity and the weak get crushed by it, Darwinianly? Or t…

In this context, I think strong means competent.

And extremely weak people can be sublimely competent. weird but true. You really just cannot rank people on a linear ordering.

Re: Ask HN: Where are all the parties?

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Post by lanstin »

spoiler wrote: post #335
dqpb wrote: post #315

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In this context, I think strong means competent.

I interpreted is as a strong character (or mind); one that's not easily shaken (mentally) and stable. I would certainly include competence as contributing to a strong character

Like Godel and Turing, right?

Re: Ask HN: Where are all the parties?

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Post by lanstin »

spoiler wrote: post #330
snozolli wrote: post #317

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I think we're entering that last cycle again, where people are inventing trivial hardships for themselves, because media teaches them that only a life with some type of adversity is worth living. I don't think that's even remotely what the quote means. You seem to be taking it as "weak men make up hardships" as opposed to "weakness leads to a broken down system and future suffering for society". For example, one migh…

I meant both of those things. Have you looked at society recently? The former is currently acting as a catalyst for the latter. And speaking of fascism and intolerance for others in general: it's unfortunately getting worse. I largely blame social media and the busybodies that waste away on them... Says I, as I moonlight as a keyboard warrior on a forum; the irony doesn't escape me

You may wish to read some books by people who have lived under fascist regimes. It is a bit more intense than being criticized by busy bodies.

Re: Ask HN: Where are all the parties?

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Post by gruez »

rank0 wrote: post #384
craftkiller wrote: post #355

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> never mind the 6 pack of beer bottles he brought! Glass is infinitely recyclable, whereas "disposable vapes" could be referring to just the cartridge (hopefully) but also could mean the full-fledged single-use vapes with a lithium battery inside. If its the latter, they really should switch to the former. If its the former then I think your friend was being a bit excessive griping about that but a 6 pack of infinit…

Most recycling winds up in a landfill. It’s expensive and costs energy. Sometimes we just pay china to put waste into a landfill and call it recycling. There’s also the bottle caps, the packaging, and carbon cost of shipping a MUCH heavier product. There’s gotta be carbon output for growing barley and producing the actual beer too! All so my environmentalist buddy can get drunk. He shouldn’t feel guilty. The point is…

> Most recycling winds up in a landfill. It’s expensive and costs energy. Sometimes we just pay china to put waste into a landfill and call it recycling.

Source for this being applicable to glass? The news sources I've seen say that it's mostly an issue with plastics.

Re: Ask HN: Where are all the parties?

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Post by spoiler »

lanstin wrote: post #393
spoiler wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant both of those things. Have you looked at society recently? The former is currently acting as a catalyst for the latter. And speaking of fascism and intolerance for others in general: it's unfortunately getting worse. I largely blame social media and the busybodies that waste away on them... Says I, as I moonlight as a keyboard warrior on a forum; the irony doesn't escape me

You may wish to read some books by people who have lived under fascist regimes. It is a bit more intense than being criticized by busy bodies.

We aren't talking about regimes, though… Why move the discussion?

Re: Ask HN: Where are all the parties?

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Post by autoexec »

spoiler wrote: post #339
marcosdumay wrote: post #336

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And then you look again at the GP, and see that the only reasonable interpretation of "strong" that phrase can have has no relation at all with competence. Or worse, because bad times create broken people. And while broken people can stand adversity, they are much less able to create something non-broken.

Bad doesn't have to mean PTSD-inducing "walking dead" scenarios… Also, whether hardships makes or breaks you depends largely on your outlook and coping skills (this comes from someone who's had CPTSD and had to stop suicidal idealisation and learn coping skills in my late 20s). All skills diminish, if unused. Having too easy times means there's less need to "cope" It's very likely most millennials have poor coping sk…

> Bad doesn't have to mean PTSD-inducing "walking dead" scenarios…

I think that in apocalyptically bad times good people (the "weak") get taken advantage of by ruthless assholes (the "strong") who do better when they act like selfish monsters, but those kinds of people just prolong the bad times. The "strong" just fight amongst themselves while oppressing everyone else. "Might makes right" doesn't result in favorable outcomes, just tyranny. Bad times can tempt or force people into becoming monsters, but you can't have good times with monsters running things.

Good times allow (and insist) that folks behave like a civilized people who look out for each other and that not only helps promote future good times and advancement but also creates an environment where genuinely vulnerable people who couldn't survive the bad times can thrive and contribute. When people are fighting for survival they don't have time to invent new cool things and learn about how the universe works.

I guess after a while the good times allow some of us to get annoyed by all the good people who keep telling everyone we have to be nice to others and there's time to look around at all the vulnerable people who couldn't survive without our support and wonder if we'd just be better off without them, but I can't imagine that working out better in the long term.

Perhaps things play out somewhat the same in less than apocalyptically bad times too.

Re: Ask HN: Where are all the parties?

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Post by lambo4bkfast »

motohagiography wrote: post #375
QUrprUd1nCeicw wrote: post #349

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I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here. Every example you gave is someone "managing" at their own expense. When an immunocompromised person gets sick from a rave, no one else suffers directly from that. Of course you can "manage" that way up until the moment you die. You can't get upset when society changes and some of those people decide the expense of "managing" isn't worth it any more. I mean, c…

Cheers for challenging it and making me think about it. The example I would use is a vegetarian bailing in an invite to a barbecue because the main meal wasn't to their choice. The point is the gathering and someone doing something special, and instead of being an ingrate about the invitation, one should go and eat before, or have the salad. As a lifestyle choice, it's anti-social purity. My general point is that pre…

Very elegantly said

Re: Ask HN: Where are all the parties?

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Post by motohagiography »

quacker wrote: post #365
motohagiography wrote: post #265

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A generation of immunocompromised guys with AIDS built the entire electronic music and rave scene in the 80s and 90s, the fashion business, and most of the culture you consume today. It's not condescending if your issues are in fact discretionary. I travel with someone who will die within an hour of exposure to peanuts, regularly spend time with people in their 80's and 90s who have been on deaths door for years, rid…

I don't invite people over anymore because their fussiness scales negatively - where if you want to mix 5 people who each have a rule about what they cannot abide, the common denominator is rarely special enough to leave the house for. Between the discretionary lifestyle demands of vegetarians, vegans, non-glutens, non-porks, non-drinkers, anti-smokers, non-problematics, non-outdoorsies, hover-parents, maskers, and t…

Yes, but why?

Re: Ask HN: Where are all the parties?

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Post by majikaja »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #87
majikaja wrote: post #57

I'm getting older and I still feel as bored around older, married people as I always have. I don't want to hear about other people's careers or children anymore. I didn't experience it but I remember reading a lot more wild stories of the golden era of Wall Street than the tech scene today. Nowadays people just post about putting money in index funds. Too many high-IQ introverts in a room maybe not a good thing?

Are you referring to stories like Wolf of Wall Street? If so, I would not expect stories like that from tech (or any other business where relationships are not the main sell). People getting high together or partying is not going to make the next generation processor or programming language or improve battery technology.

I guess the fun parties are reserved for the executives and sales staff.

Re: Ask HN: Where are all the parties?

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Post by aynawn »

nixpulvis wrote: post #75

Last memorial day I tried to have a little BBQ... ended up eating and drinking by myself on/near the sidewalk in front of my apartment, while grilling and listening to a festive playlist with songs like Carry on my Wayward Son. I kept asking random people if they wanted a brat, but nobody did... until the guy towing my roommate's broken down car home arrived. The three of us shared one, the tow truck driver finished…

I'm another ex-massachusettser and also love Somerville and would have shared a brat with you. Sounds like you made the best of it!
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