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Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

#361

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Everyone is approaching the social media issue as if it was a technical problem - it's not. No amount of decentralisation or protocols address (or even attempt) the root cause. The closest would be the crypto-based social networks, which while they have their own problems at least attempt to address the issue of funding the platform. You know it's bad when the closest thing to a solution comes from crypto grifters. S…

No. You're still thinking about Mastodon as a federation of medium- and large- sized small social networks; star systems in a galaxy. That's how it works now, but I don't think it's going to stay that way for long. I don't think large shared Mastodon instances, at least larger than you'd see for a group blog, make much sense. It doesn't make sense for all the reasons you're spelling out: the amount of effort to keep…

> But a "network" of hundreds of thousands or millions of tiny instances, maybe paradoxically, doesn't have this same spam/trolling problem, any more than RSS did when we were all using Google Reader.

RSS/Google Reader was mostly a "pull" medium. Creators create content while consumers passively consume it but can't write back. This works but is fundamentally different from Twitter and the modern concept of social media. Furthermore, RSS offloads all the work to the clients, so RSS servers don't have to store nor process any state regardless of how many consumers there are (you can serve the same cached response to all of them).

If you want it to be like social media, you need people to also be able to "push" things (that others who don't directly follow you see) so people can reply and comment and do social-media-y things. This then not only opens the floodgates for spam, but also makes everything harder if every instance has to federate with tens of thousands of small ones instead of a few hundred like we currently have (the current system works fine with a "hosts"-like file manually curated by instance admins, but if instances start proliferating you'd need a DHT of sorts so they can all discover each other, and again need some way of vetting the quality of them so you don't get spam into it). This turns instances into hosts not just for the original content of the instance admin but also for the replies of people, again raising both server resource issues as well as issues relating to spam, illegal content and moderation in general.

> think of this like Blogger and Google Reader mashed together, with Twitter's surface-level user experience

Blogger could potentially pull it off because it's a closed system that has one consistent moderation policy. It doesn't have to broker or host unvetted third-party content. But blogging/publishing is fundamentally still a different medium to something like Twitter.

> People forget that the "blogosphere" worked pretty great before Twitter and Facebook wrecked it.

I think that the blogosphere and social media are fundamentally different mediums. Blogging is write-once, read-many, with minimal, mostly consumer-to-publisher interactions (comments on the blog itself). For a lot of people, social media also involves direct consumer-to-consumer communication, merely adjacent to the publisher's content but completely outside of their control. Your proposal does not address this use-case.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

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> I have yet to hear someone tell people how to find the author on Mastodon. Never. How does a host say an email address? They might say john@reallycoolpodcast.co.uk How does a host say how to find them on Mastodon (or ANY ActivityPub based platform)? They might say john@reallycoolpodcast.co.uk

> How does a host say how to find them on Mastodon (or ANY ActivityPub based platform)? They might say john@reallycoolpodcast.co.uk Tell a non-techie "@johnsreallycoolpodcast" and there's a good chance they'll figure out it's a Twitter or Instagram username. Tell a non-techie "john@reallycoolpodcast.co.uk" and they'll think it's an email address or at best infer the website URL from that. Tell a non-techie there's a…

Nextgrid, I completely agree.

If I borrow one from Sirius XM...I listen to POTUS... and a host named Julie Mason who is on early in the mornings will say "for more information follow me @ Julie Mason on Twitter."

People figure it out.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

#363
I really like how they have their own Mastadon instance. That's better than any "blue checkmark" ever could be. Wondering if @ivory@tapbots.social is the real Ivory app account? Well... the domain is company domain!

A cool business idea would be to host a Mastadon instance for celebrities, where everyone is verified, and there's no open registration at all. It's more of a branding company than a tech company, but then you would know that if you see @barackobama@bluecheck.social, it's the former president.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

#364
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If you're not paying attention to Mastodon now, a think to know about Tapbots and Ivory, their new ActivityPub client, is that their TestFlight betas, which they release in batches of a thousand or so at a time, last for just a couple minutes before they're all snapped up; there seems to be pretty huge demand for it. With a decent client (I've bounced around a couple of them so far), even in a beta state, the experie…

I feel compelled to dive in here with a well actually, mastodon clients don't speak activitypub, the protocol used between servers, they speak mastodon api, the semi standard but predominant client server protocol.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

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Ads come with tracking, so there's probably an issue of trusting all the data that apps would have to send back. Twitter would have to document just how much tracking their ads require, and 3rd party developers could balk at it and cause a stink. OTOH the first party app can track as much as it wants and it'll fly under the radar.

> OTOH the first party app can track as much as it wants and it'll fly under the radar. Until you get caught, and Apple/Google decide to boot the official app from the stores (if) you broke the respective agreements.

I think there’s a pretty wide delta between tracking that is against App Store rules and tracking that would be controversial when written up on the Twitterific/Tweetbot blogs.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

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I wonder what happens after that? 40B acquisition to bankruptcy sounds brutal. I'm sure there's some nuanced financial way they can recover and continue but wow.

Elon almost certainly has enough money to keep funding Twitter until he gets bored with it and moves onto something else; which, granted, might not even take a year. It's hard to say what happense at that point but my guess is that he sells it for a fraction of the purchase price. Twitter has a big enough network that there will be something left in the wreckage that someone can try to rebuild from. Bankruptcy could…

> Bankruptcy could still happen of course, even if Elon still has the money. He might think that completely shutting down Twitter is less embarrasing than selling it for a 90% loss, Elon is still pretending to be a business genius after all.

We do not know the reality. He has cut the payroll significantly (despite the severance since that is a 1 time burden), he has added paying customers with Blue, and by killing the API, he increases those paying customers. He can also browbeat or schmooze some large customers like Apple to advertise more. It may not be enough but a smaller profitable or cash flow positive twitter could still run for a while before he feels the pinch.

Not sure if he can make the billion dollar interest payments, but imagine if twitter can make 800M, and his Tesla stock goes up double, he would not feel a pinch bridging the remaining 200M although he may try to get someone else (or the company) to pay for it.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

#367

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I remember a few years back when those positions were reversed. Mastodon iOS app devs are mostly doing it out of love or passion and so seem prone to interesting hiatuses. Though Mastodon is usually "stable" enough and "feature complete" enough and not generally a fast-changing target outside of big migratory transitions like this recent one, so those devs I think are generally more than welcome to whatever hiatuses…

I'd use Toot! but (besides the name, gag) it won't run on an M1 Macbook the way Mammoth will.

I like the name. I don't know why "social media communities" should be professional at all times and afraid to be silly rather than serious. I like some fun there and it is a name that amuses me.

I'm in the class of iOS users without any personal macOS devices, so that's not a consideration I was aware of, but that does make sense.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

#368

Why are they having the funeral less than 2 weeks after a "suspension" of the API, after 10+ years of work? Twitter under the new management is making rash decisions but also has been reversing many. I still have Tweetbot app on my phone in hopes that it's temporary. Has there been anything definitive to say that won't be the case?

They have huge number of annual customer renewals coming up. This includes me. The question as they themselves pointed out is whether they wait or fight and sort it out differently, but if they do not, then by canceling early they avoid heartburn with all those people who will get charged for the renewal.

Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

#369

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"It's remarkable how many people who've never run any kind of company think they know how to run a tech company better than someone who's run Tesla and SpaceX." - Paul Graham https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1592852796185128961

His quick turn around (there was some, "oh, huh, when you put it that way, perhaps he is making some questionable choices" interaction with another poster) right before the ban was maybe the most perfect example of "I never thought the face-eating leopard would eat my face!" I've ever seen. A moment of dawning realization an instant before the face gets eaten. It was perfect.

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Re: Tweetbot. April 2011 – January 2023

#370

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No. You're still thinking about Mastodon as a federation of medium- and large- sized small social networks; star systems in a galaxy. That's how it works now, but I don't think it's going to stay that way for long. I don't think large shared Mastodon instances, at least larger than you'd see for a group blog, make much sense. It doesn't make sense for all the reasons you're spelling out: the amount of effort to keep…

> But a "network" of hundreds of thousands or millions of tiny instances, maybe paradoxically, doesn't have this same spam/trolling problem, any more than RSS did when we were all using Google Reader. RSS/Google Reader was mostly a "pull" medium. Creators create content while consumers passively consume it but can't write back. This works but is fundamentally different from Twitter and the modern concept of social me…

Why do I need to care about "pull" or "push"? That's a thing the server instance does for me.
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