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Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud

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Airplane seats are oversold, so airlines don't care.

Depends on the airline, not all overbook.

Name please. I want to fly that airline. If you say "my broter Steve's a pilot, and he's never overbooked," I'm going to be very upset

Re: Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud

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> Holmes’ partner, William Evans, also bought a one-way ticket “and did not return until approximately six weeks later, returning from a different continent,” prosecutors said. Did she buy the ticket herself or did someone book a trip and buy tickets for her/in her name? I don't support her but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. The one ticket sounds bad, but a series of tickets with eventual return do…

> I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Why would you be inclined to give a convicted fraudster the benefit of the doubt?

Is there a concern that she'll flee to Mexico and start up a brand new multibillion dollar fraud? I just wouldn't see any attempt to actually flee from justice on this case to be particularly fruitful, if she's capable of committing this fraud, then she's clearly capable of seeing the futility in fleeing to Mexico.

In that sense, I'm happy to give her the benefit of the doubt; certainly, more benefit than I would afford to anyone who was on the board of directors.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud

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sure, but once you're in mexico it's just a quick courtesy call to the airline to let them know you're an international fugitive from justice and won't be able to catch your return flight.

That might even be covered under the optional flight insurance

We'll never know because nobody ever has bought that and had a successful claim

Re: Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud

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This may happen once in a while due to some algorithm weirdness, but it is absolutely not "often" the case.

No. It depends on the market, but if it is what's known as a "round-trip" market (typically international itineraries), it shifts to become "often" the case. Airlines are all about price discrimination. Leisure travellers benefit inordinately from this behavior.

> Leisure travellers benefit inordinately from this behavior.

Is that necessarily true? Charging business travelers more means those businesses have to get the money from somewhere, and one way to do that is to pass the cost onto their customers. So even if you don't fly, you're now paying $0.001 on your next box of cereal to subsidize leisure travelers. Or maybe not! I don't have any data.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud

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There really aren't that many places that won't extradite an American back to America. Like, North Korea and maybe Iran. All the other countries famous for not having extradition treaties with the US like Vietnam are happy to extradite on a case by case basis. There are plenty of countries that won't extradite their nationals as a matter of policy like China, Russia, Switzerland, Lebanon, and so on (it's most of the…

Something I've always sort of wondered: If you live on a yacht in international waters, will the US Navy come and pick you up? For someone of Ms. Holmes' level of GTA stars.

that's similar to the people that tried to form a country on the deep sea platforms. a submarine launched torpedo would render the country no longer effective while completely invisible to any prying eyes. or a team of underwater welders cut the legs out from under it. again completely hidden from view. "I don't know what happened. One day it was there. The next it was gone!"

Re: Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud

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First you go to Mexico. Then you go somewhere without extradition. Although if I had high resources and was fleeing justice, I probably wouldn’t buy a ticket ahead of time. If anything I would book some domestic travel to be on flight manifests.

There really aren't that many places that won't extradite an American back to America. Like, North Korea and maybe Iran. All the other countries famous for not having extradition treaties with the US like Vietnam are happy to extradite on a case by case basis. There are plenty of countries that won't extradite their nationals as a matter of policy like China, Russia, Switzerland, Lebanon, and so on (it's most of the…

I think it is less about not having an extradition treaty as it is just living in a country that doesn't really actively search for people needing extradition. as long as you have good paperwork for wherever you live and stay the hell off the radar of local authorities, you could probably do okay in lots of central/south american countries. avoid europe and all of their nanny cams with facial recognition. avoid getting online with your old persona's credentials and visiting old family/friends. could probably do pretty well

Re: Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud

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First you go to Mexico. Then you go somewhere without extradition. Although if I had high resources and was fleeing justice, I probably wouldn’t buy a ticket ahead of time. If anything I would book some domestic travel to be on flight manifests.

There really aren't that many places that won't extradite an American back to America. Like, North Korea and maybe Iran. All the other countries famous for not having extradition treaties with the US like Vietnam are happy to extradite on a case by case basis. There are plenty of countries that won't extradite their nationals as a matter of policy like China, Russia, Switzerland, Lebanon, and so on (it's most of the…

There are a lot of unrecognized territories in the world. Wa State, Western Sahara, Rojava, Palestine, Transnistria (remember hacker weev?), Ambazonia, Artsakh, wide swaths of factions in central Africa. It's impractical to extradite people from these regions, although perhaps if they're badly enough wanted the CIA can toss them in a bag and just straight up drive them out or bribe others to do same.

It's thought for instance intelligence may know wanted British terrorist Samantha Lewthwaite is in Kenya or Somalia, but impractical to extract due to being controlled by Al-Shebab. Nobody is gonna send the troops/3 letter goons into some no-mans contested land over some non-violent holmes like character.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud

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Back in reality, people miss flights all the time. Not only are you not banned from flying the airline, you often get a credit that you can apply for your next flight.

It does depend on what kind of ticket you're travelling on, and what restrictions apply to it. Full disclosure: I have a bit of a history of flying on what some call "mistake fares". Back in 2013 I flew "from Europe to Hong Kong and back", except it was routed via Australia(!) both on the inbound and the outbound. Was convinced I was going to be denied boarding at every single stop on the itinerary ... I was also you…

But were you actually denied boarding, or just worried about it? The restrictions may affect what kind of credit you get for missing a flight, but you will never be banned from flying the airline - that's absurd.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud

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It does depend on what kind of ticket you're travelling on, and what restrictions apply to it. Full disclosure: I have a bit of a history of flying on what some call "mistake fares". Back in 2013 I flew "from Europe to Hong Kong and back", except it was routed via Australia(!) both on the inbound and the outbound. Was convinced I was going to be denied boarding at every single stop on the itinerary ... I was also you…

But were you actually denied boarding, or just worried about it? The restrictions may affect what kind of credit you get for missing a flight, but you will never be banned from flying the airline - that's absurd.

Airlines don't have to honour mistake fares, and this was definitely one of those. FWIW, I got away with it.

If you miss a flight and the airline determines you booked it (typically as a return or hidden city leg) without ever intending to fly it, they will very definitely try to make life difficult for you.

Try short-checking a bag to LON on a NYC-LON-Europe booking with AA or BA, they will refuse. They're worried you booked to Europe for a lower price but intended all along to leave in LON.

There are ways round this "rule", too. If you know what you're doing.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud

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Depends on the airline, not all overbook.

Name please. I want to fly that airline. If you say "my broter Steve's a pilot, and he's never overbooked," I'm going to be very upset

Southwest and JetBlue don't overbook.

https://www.southwest.com/help/changes-and-cancellations/ove...

https://www.jetblue.com/legal/notices-to-customers

However, this isn't a guarantee you won't get bumped. This just means that the maximum number of tickets sold to customers equals the number of seats on the plane. If the plane changes, so do the number of available seats. And not all passengers are customers. Some may be crew deadheading to another location.

More generally, it is less common for low cost carriers to overbook flights because their passengers tend to be cost-conscious vacationers who paid for the flight out of their own pocket and aren't about to forfeit the fare. Usually these passengers show up at a very high rate. So there usually isn't even a reason to want to overbook these flights.

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