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Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)

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Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)

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Post by karmakaze »

Dalewyn wrote: post #36

To this day I still consider what many call "AI" today as just overgrown Word macros. These contraptions, as innovative and black box as they are, are not artificial intelligence. This misnomer has led to needlessly complicating the conversations concerning things like Stable Diffusion and ChatGPT, too. What many call "AI" are just extremely complicated and mindless tools, and they need to be treated as such both leg…

You may be right about the state of ML today and not ready to be called AI. At the same time the reasoning that it's because it's a black box contraption or mindless tools isn't very strong. The same arguments could be made for human intelligence, we don't know how it works, wasn't consciously designed but rather evolved randomly to solve concrete tasks in unknown ways.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)

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Post by surprisetalk »

KyleBerezin wrote: post #69

I've always wished we had a common phrase like 'synthetic intelligence'. People are always saying certain systems lack the complexity to be considered artificial intelligence, but to me artificial intelligence is anything that is mimicking intelligence, like AI in a game or rudimentary chat bots. Synthetic Intelligence would be more of what people consider an AI now. It has intelligence, but was created. I think the…

https://taylor.town/synthetic-intelligence

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)

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Post by karmakaze »

Personally, I'm at the point where it's a distinction without a difference. So what? Rather than gatekeeping poorly defined terms, let's be more specific about what current systems can and can't do as well as what we do want them to able to do. If you want 'AI' to be self-aware, conscious, moral, etc use those words rather than loading it all into a single overused and at this point marketing term.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)

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Post by coding123 »

mirekrusin wrote: post #51
petilon wrote: post #34

Artificial Intelligence has been around for ages. It is even referenced in Greek mythology [1]. The definition of AI changes with time. When calculators were first invented it was considered AI, because back then anything that could do arithmetic was considered intelligent. Today ChatGPT is considered AI, but 10 years from now it won't be. Whatever is at the edge of technology is considered AI, the rest isn't. [1] ht…

20 years from now ChatGPT will call humans AI.

HA loved that one.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)

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Post by erikerikson »

Buttons840 wrote: post #46
erikerikson wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's arguing because it's artificial it shouldn't be called artificial. No, he's arguing that it shouldn't be called intelligent because it is not.

> it shouldn't be called intelligent We don't call it "intelligent" or "intelligence", we call it " artificial intelligence". Adjectives matter. Furthermore, what is intelligence? Define it. Is an ant intelligent? Is a microbe which exhibits simple yet effective behavior intelligent? Is a machine that can play chess far better than any other known lifeform intelligent?

Adjectives do matter. The author seemed to clearly express the opinion that our systems are not expressing intelligence artificial or otherwise. The author also expressed some attributes of what they regard as intelligence but that our systems are not exhibiting.

Personally, I am a fan of "efficient cross domain maximization" as a definition but I feel it only implies the self establishment of value systems over the relative values of domains. The reality is that we don't have a perfect definition of intelligence or the spectrum but we roughly hold up ourselves as the example. This is a deep topic I'm not going to burn further time on for HN.

I'd suggest that intelligence is an emergent property of the interaction of dumb systems. The lack of a clear line is a symptom of our lack of clear definition. More impactfuly, or lack of understanding of how brains produce/host it.

I think a real objection is that the user of the term of AI is associated with the disappointment and drying up of funding in academic research that had been correlated to irresponsible use of the language. The apologists came up with AGI but this is humans. Some people think their marketing benefits by saying "AI" and most of the world has neither the expertise or product knowledge to call them on it. So too do we have a word "literally" with a definition of "figuratively".

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)

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Post by petilon »

mirekrusin wrote: post #51
petilon wrote: post #34

Artificial Intelligence has been around for ages. It is even referenced in Greek mythology [1]. The definition of AI changes with time. When calculators were first invented it was considered AI, because back then anything that could do arithmetic was considered intelligent. Today ChatGPT is considered AI, but 10 years from now it won't be. Whatever is at the edge of technology is considered AI, the rest isn't. [1] ht…

20 years from now ChatGPT will call humans AI.

ChatGPT will call humans OI (Organic Intelligence) which will be inferior to MI (Machine Intelligence).

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)

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Post by mirekrusin »

petilon wrote: post #77
mirekrusin wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

20 years from now ChatGPT will call humans AI.

ChatGPT will call humans OI (Organic Intelligence) which will be inferior to MI (Machine Intelligence).

Artificial in the sense that it's not real one compared to theirs. They'll do it while sunbathing their electrovoltaic butts on Sahara and sipping geothermal energy near volcanoes; throwing jokes about how long does it take for human to count to 1m when playing in metaverse with few breeded human non-playable characters.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)

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Post by m00x »

Spivak wrote: post #40
m00x wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's probably because the definition of `robot` is different in almost every dictionary. Cambridge defines it as: a machine controlled by a computer that is used to perform jobs automatically Others say it has to look human to be considered a robot.

This is a misunderstanding of what dictionaries are for. They’re not authoritative sources of what words mean, they’re a record of all the different ways a word has been used. If people use the term robot to refer to assembly like machines then as far as the dictionary is concerned those are robots now. Someone who comes across a text and doesn’t know what the author is saying when they talk about robots used in manu…

> This is a misunderstanding of what dictionaries are for. They’re not authoritative sources of what words mean, they’re a record of all the different ways a word has been used.

Source?

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)

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Post by Spivak »

m00x wrote: post #79
Spivak wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a misunderstanding of what dictionaries are for. They’re not authoritative sources of what words mean, they’re a record of all the different ways a word has been used. If people use the term robot to refer to assembly like machines then as far as the dictionary is concerned those are robots now. Someone who comes across a text and doesn’t know what the author is saying when they talk about robots used in manu…

> This is a misunderstanding of what dictionaries are for. They’re not authoritative sources of what words mean, they’re a record of all the different ways a word has been used. Source?

"dictionary, n. and adj." OED Online. Oxford University Press, December 2022. Web. 20 January 2023.
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