AI Is the PERFECT name for all of this stuff. Artificial Intelligence. He's arguing because it's artificial it shouldn't be called artificial.
Do we even have a definition of intelligence? A definition that is not a word salad made of vague terms?
Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the challenges faced by ChatGPT was in seeing it produce conversational-style output instead of simply the most common words that it saw. I'm not sure your definition really clears up how reasoning or thinking differ from "basic" statistical processes. Granted, perhaps it is not explainable. If it were we would understand it well enough to replicate it.
> One of the challenges faced by ChatGPT was in seeing it produce conversational-style output instead of simply the most common words that it saw. Do you have a source for that? I've implemented GPT from scratch and I don't see anywhere that doesn't just take the current output + input as attention and produces the next word. The loss being if it correctly guessed what would be the next word according to context and…
There were some papers linked here yesterday. I'm not good at memorizing URLs. Sorry.
Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)
#43To this day I still consider what many call "AI" today as just overgrown Word macros. These contraptions, as innovative and black box as they are, are not artificial intelligence. This misnomer has led to needlessly complicating the conversations concerning things like Stable Diffusion and ChatGPT, too. What many call "AI" are just extremely complicated and mindless tools, and they need to be treated as such both leg…
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#44I think 'Adaptive Algorithm's would be better. But he's missing something key: the ever elusive lure of true, AGI is like crack to the media. Watch how Altman and others in the press use that kind of language in small doses to titillate the marketplace. Buzzwords get a lot of funding going.
This is how we get naive, unsophisticated people fooled into thinking it's fine to read or take a nap while their car "self drives".
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#45We'd do better to stop conflating AI with machine learning. Machine learning can be one way to create AI, but it doesn't end there.
I see people saying this all over the internet, but for the entire history of AI, Machine Learning has either been the only, or the most effective method by far of solving actual problems. Everyone who thinks otherwise should read this. http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html
> for the entire history of AI, Machine Learning has either been the only, or the most effective method by far of solving actual problems.
Did Deep Blue not act intelligently? It didn't use machine learning.
Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)
#46AI Is the PERFECT name for all of this stuff. Artificial Intelligence. He's arguing because it's artificial it shouldn't be called artificial.
> He's arguing because it's artificial it shouldn't be called artificial. No, he's arguing that it shouldn't be called intelligent because it is not.
> it shouldn't be called intelligent
We don't call it "intelligent" or "intelligence", we call it "artificial intelligence". Adjectives matter.
Furthermore, what is intelligence? Define it. Is an ant intelligent? Is a microbe which exhibits simple yet effective behavior intelligent? Is a machine that can play chess far better than any other known lifeform intelligent?
Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says (2021)
#47We'd do better to stop conflating AI with machine learning. Machine learning can be one way to create AI, but it doesn't end there.
I see people saying this all over the internet, but for the entire history of AI, Machine Learning has either been the only, or the most effective method by far of solving actual problems. Everyone who thinks otherwise should read this. http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html
Hum, I think you are misunderstanding Sutton here. He argues that the we should focus on search and learning, but nowhere he implies that ML is the only way to do it.
In fact, many old school AI, non-ML techniques fit this description. For example, SAT/CSP solving are almost entirely about search, and sometime even about learning, but not in the machine learning sense.
He even mentions "the methods defeated the world champion" at chess as a successful demonstration of AI, but these methods are certainly not what we would call machine learning today (deep search doesn't mean deep learning).
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#49Sure, right after we stop calling linear algebra and matrix manipulation "machine learning".
Right after we stop calling matrix multiplication "linear algebra".
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#50AI should be synonymous with machine sentience IMHO - anything less is corporate advertising.
Calling it “AI” is important for those who run it. Call it “ML” and the connotation is “software monetizing publicly shared data at scale without consent”, call it “AI” and the connotation is “but you wouldn’t stop a human learning on what is public would you”. I can’t believe how many people are falling for this.