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Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s cool our brains have that as a heuristic for whatever reason. Wonder if you could train yourself to see 1-3?

If you tune up your sensitivity to 1-3 photons, you'll probably find a maddening TV white noise overlaid on your vision.

I do see exactly such a noise in dark rooms, am not unnerved by it at all.

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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What is the comparison to modern camera sensors nowadays? Can they detect single photons?

There are Photon-counting Cameras but they can not be used when there are allot of photons. As an example; the max nr of photons per second and pixel from one of the commercial ones is 10^7 photons/s/pixel.

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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I’ve been aware of this fact as Feynman points it out in the course of the lectures, but find it totally nuts — there is some sense of scale I’m missing. Matter consists of discrete chunks, atoms, but these chunks are so infinitesimal and numerous that there is no question of seeing them and any effect involving a handful of them is far, far below the human scale. Light also comes in chunks, and the number of these c…

Maybe seeing in the dark is simply so valuable that evolution has created extremely light-sensitive eyes for many species? If there was a molecule whose detection in tiny amounts would give a species a competitive edge, we might have noses capable of detecting 5-molecule amounts of this substance.

Weird that humans can do this when our eyes aren’t even that great at night vision compared to a lot of other animals.

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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I’ve been aware of this fact as Feynman points it out in the course of the lectures, but find it totally nuts — there is some sense of scale I’m missing. Matter consists of discrete chunks, atoms, but these chunks are so infinitesimal and numerous that there is no question of seeing them and any effect involving a handful of them is far, far below the human scale. Light also comes in chunks, and the number of these c…

Welcome to the beauty of logarithmic scales.

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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I’ve been aware of this fact as Feynman points it out in the course of the lectures, but find it totally nuts — there is some sense of scale I’m missing. Matter consists of discrete chunks, atoms, but these chunks are so infinitesimal and numerous that there is no question of seeing them and any effect involving a handful of them is far, far below the human scale. Light also comes in chunks, and the number of these c…

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Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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I’ve been aware of this fact as Feynman points it out in the course of the lectures, but find it totally nuts — there is some sense of scale I’m missing. Matter consists of discrete chunks, atoms, but these chunks are so infinitesimal and numerous that there is no question of seeing them and any effect involving a handful of them is far, far below the human scale. Light also comes in chunks, and the number of these c…

The visible photons have enough energy above the room temperature noise, that each one can be detected and amplified. Even when that energy is minuscule, it is sufficient to affect a molecule of pigment enough to cause cascade of amplifying reactions leading to detection.

I think we almost agree, but I want to clarify that visible photons and room temperature photons have a very different energy and frequency, and the molecules that detect them in the eye are very sensitive to frequency. So you see the "visible" photons that have a frequency in the correct range, but don't see the other photons.

I guess you can see a few visible photons even if the background has a lot of ultraviolet photons that have more energy and frequency. (It may hurt your eyes. Don't try it at home.)

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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I'm sure you could "see" a TeV photon showering in your eye?

Somewhat related- high energy cosmic rays (not photons, but ultra high energy protons, or helium nuclei) are theorized to cause flashes of light and other visual phenomenon in astronauts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray_visual_phenomena

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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I’ve been aware of this fact as Feynman points it out in the course of the lectures, but find it totally nuts — there is some sense of scale I’m missing. Matter consists of discrete chunks, atoms, but these chunks are so infinitesimal and numerous that there is no question of seeing them and any effect involving a handful of them is far, far below the human scale. Light also comes in chunks, and the number of these c…

Its my understanding that the human finger, run across an extremely flat surface, can detect a (via a quick google: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2276384-your-finger-can... )

It looks like that has to do with surface texture. I can reliably feel a step of 0.005" (0.13mm). I doubt if steps under 0.001" (0.03mm) can be felt. Nowhere near atomic scale.

Re: Can a Human See a Single Photon? (1996)

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you tune up your sensitivity to 1-3 photons, you'll probably find a maddening TV white noise overlaid on your vision.

I do see exactly such a noise in dark rooms, am not unnerved by it at all.

Well that's expected when SNR is low. But in a dark room it's harder to see because SNR is low. I was just saying that I wouldn't want to artificially lower SNR in all environments, but maybe it wouldn't and maybe others do.
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