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How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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I’m curious to learn: if “they” is being added to style guides as a way to refer to a singular human without implying any gender, is “it” the same or is there a somewhat different meaning behind the usage?

> if “they” is being added to style guides as a way to refer to a singular human without implying any gender Hasn’t it always been the case that you could use “they” as a way to refer to a singular human without implying any gender? I seem to recall that “they” has been in use in that manner long before non-binary arguments were something I’d heard about.

"They" has been used as a singular pronoun as far back as the late 1300s, but for the case where you didn't know the gender of the person or the gender was not relevant. Using it for someone whose gender is gender is known but is not male or female is much newer.

Here's an article with details [1].

The problem of what pronoun to use for someone who is neither male or female is not new, of course. That article says:

> There have always been people who didn’t conform to an expected gender expression, or who seemed to be neither male nor female. But we’ve struggled to find the right language to describe these people—and in particular, the right pronouns. In the 17th century, English laws concerning inheritance sometimes referred to people who didn’t fit a gender binary using the pronoun it, which, while dehumanizing, was conceived of as being the most grammatically fit answer to gendered pronouns around then

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/singular-nonbi...

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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I wish we just used “they” always. I am fine with people not wanting certain pronouns but I find it very tedious to track different pronouns in my head. Especially in a professional setting gender shouldn’t matter at all.

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Headline buries the real lede a bit in my opinion; the author has gotten a snapshot of the no-fly list from 2019. Presumably the system under attack processes more up-to-date versions of it regularly. Corresponding news story: https://www.dailydot.com/debug/no-fly-list-us-tsa-unprotecte...

I wonder which no-fly list it is. Is it a government no-fly list that would contain suspected international criminals and terrorists, or an airline's private no-fly list that would contain people who cause a ruckus on flights, drunks, anti-maskers, and so on. Maybe one shared between airlines? I would imagine that second list has grown substantially since 2020 given all the craziness airlines have had to deal with si…

> the nofly csv is almost 80mb in size and contains over 1.56 million rows of data. this HAS to be the real deal (we later get confirmation that it is indeed a copy of the nofly list from 2019).

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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I’m curious to learn: if “they” is being added to style guides as a way to refer to a singular human without implying any gender, is “it” the same or is there a somewhat different meaning behind the usage?

No, 'it' is not the same as 'they' here. To refer to a person of unknown pronouns, they/them/their/theirs/themself should be used. However, if one's pronouns are specified to be either they/them/their/theirs/themself or it/it/its/its/itself, use those preferred.

You mean use it

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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I can't even remember people's names after they introduce themselves how am I meant to remember their pronouns as well.

Same way you learn nouns in German. (Die/der/das are genders).

I took Japanese :S

ドイツ語はぜんぜんわからない

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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>>demonstrate they will use it responsibly. The problem is to define "demonstrate" and the criteria. Remember the gatekeeper is now an unemployed gal who "know lot's of things about cyber security" according to her main page. Seems likely a competent bad actor could easily impersonate a well-meaning reporter... Yes, security through obscurity isn't security, but this also seems incredibly irresponsible for any "secur…

>>Remember the gatekeeper is now [...] unemployed [...] who "know lot's of things about cyber security" according to [its] main page. Seems likely a competent bad actor could easily impersonate a well-meaning reporter... ...and it has a Wikipedia article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/maia_arson_crimew ), and has demonstrated in other cases (cf. https://www.dailydot.com/debug/feelyou-mental-health-app-dat... ) that…

Good to see that; thanks for digging deeper. I hope he has done this behind the scenes and the holes are patched, because I'm sure that by now, someone with worse intent has already followed those footsteps...

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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> with pretty much no skill required Seriously? I know like none of the tools or terms they used, like wtf is shodan? In general the author doesn't seem to follow the white hat guidelines, and I'd be worried what they've done is quite illegal (possibly on a federal level if the nofly list is so secret)

You actually have most likely come across mentions of shodan if you use HN often. It is that search engine for insecure systems like exposed/insecure webcams.

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

#49

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I’m curious to learn: if “they” is being added to style guides as a way to refer to a singular human without implying any gender, is “it” the same or is there a somewhat different meaning behind the usage?

"It" is not generally used in English to refer to people, and generally carries a dehumanizing or even pejorative connotation when used to refer to a person (it's not unheard of to see "it" used as a slur against binary trans people, for example-- using "it" in place of preferred pronouns). Use "it" if someone specifically requests that "it" be used to refer to them. Don't if they do not.

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Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Am I missing something? It seems Maia didn't share the data at all, and only offers to if someone can demonstrate they will use it responsibly. Moreover, depending on the contents of the list, this likely offers proof of what is generally suspected, that the no fly list is a form of discrimination and authoritarian overreach, targeting people that haven't been convicted of a crime but are "suspected" due to race, rel…

>>demonstrate they will use it responsibly. The problem is to define "demonstrate" and the criteria. Remember the gatekeeper is now an unemployed gal who "know lot's of things about cyber security" according to her main page. Seems likely a competent bad actor could easily impersonate a well-meaning reporter... Yes, security through obscurity isn't security, but this also seems incredibly irresponsible for any "secur…

Please give maia the respect she deserves and use the correct pronouns.
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