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Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Post by factsarelolz »

ceejayoz wrote: post #58
SamPatt wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a conversative. Presidents don't pass budgets. FAA funding has increased, not decreased. I can criticize my government all I want. You're turning this into a political party thing when it's a government service failure.

Presidents propose budgets (the CBO even uses the term "the President's budget"; https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58417 ), sign them into law, threaten Congress with vetos, and have significant influence over their party as a whole. Trump in particular was successful in drubbing opponents out of office; Liz Cheney went from #3 in House leadership to a pariah largely overnight.

> Liz Cheney went from #3 in House leadership to a pariah largely overnight.

Oh it's Trump fault Liz did what she did? Nope. Liz thought she'd make a name for herself, she did, and is reaping the results of her actions.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Post by fuzzylightbulb »

Vecr wrote: post #61
scrumper wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once is happenstance, twice coincidence, three times is enemy action. It could be Russia, Iran, China, climate direct action groups (probably not y'all qaeda though). Or maybe it's just ancient software running on older hardware that's starting to fall over after a couple years of lighter loads and a sudden increase in complexity and weirdness. Everything is breaking at the moment.

By "y'all qaeda" you mean the boojahideen, not actual Al-Qaeda?

Ah yes, the Yee-Hawdists. Vanilla ISIS. Banana Republicans. Meal Team 6. Walmartyrs.

Classic buffoonery. Until it's not.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Post by ceejayoz »

factsarelolz wrote: post #121
ceejayoz wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presidents propose budgets (the CBO even uses the term "the President's budget"; https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58417 ), sign them into law, threaten Congress with vetos, and have significant influence over their party as a whole. Trump in particular was successful in drubbing opponents out of office; Liz Cheney went from #3 in House leadership to a pariah largely overnight.

> Liz Cheney went from #3 in House leadership to a pariah largely overnight. Oh it's Trump fault Liz did what she did? Nope. Liz thought she'd make a name for herself, she did, and is reaping the results of her actions.

Whatever you think of her actions, her journey (and similar for a variety of other anti-Trump Republicans) illustrates the power a President can have over Congress. This has pretty clear implications for the budget process.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Post by fells »

pookha wrote: post #103
mardifoufs wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird that americans always seem to have this sort of siege mentality. We already know the causes of the other outages, and they have nothing to do with the foreign interference boogeyman.

It's weird how Europeans have this fedual surf mentality.

If you're going to attack them, you could at least spell some of those words correctly.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Post by repiret »

zackbloom wrote: post #12

Unlike the NOTAM outage, a METAR outage will and should actually affect flights. Without weather at your destination it becomes impossible to know if it’s safe to land there. The forecasts (TAF) are actually used more in flight planning, but actual weather is very valuable while enroute, when not close enough to hear weather over the radio from the destination airport.

To add some nuance to what other commenters have said, 95%+ of all NOTAMs are useless, telling you about grass that might be mowed, animals that might be present, temporary "obstacles" that you could only hit if you were flying both dangerously and illegally, correcting immaterial typos in the charts, or updates to dubiously helpful information published in the charts (number of hotels in the surrounding area).

Others are potentially useful, but not essential for safe flight. Things like closed taxiways, nonavailability of services at an airport, etc.

And a very few are really critically important. Runway closures, correction to vital chart information, airspace changes, malfunctioning navigation aids.

The FAA's reaction to the NOTAM outage was probably the correct course of action. But make no mistake, the volume of spam NOTAMs combined with the lack of an easy way for a pilot to quickly sort for important NOTAMs makes us all less safe.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Post by snuxoll »

joezydeco wrote: post #116
afgrant wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are local weather conditions not generally available for all airports at all times?

They are. I've even seen small aircraft pilots call the automated weather line from the cockpit while they're preparing to approach the destination airport.

That automated weather frequency relies on METAR data from the Aviation Weather Service here in the US, and that's where ATC gets their information from as well when they're advising pilots of surface winds when giving landing clearance.

Per the source, 167 airport weather stations are not reporting correctly (either due to a highly unlikely concurrent fault with the stations, or more likely an issue with the system they report to).

Local weather is always used, but that's precisely what is unavailable right now.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Post by blktiger »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #123

One thing though, these types of things can't be helpful to the political future of Pete Buttigieg. Between airline issues and rail strikes and shipping/port issues, he has been very politically unlucky.

Not necessarily, if he gets a lot of airtime and is seen as identifying and fixing problems he could get a real big boost. Most of the problems the Transportation Secretary has to deal with are the fault of aging systems, a limited budget from congress, etc.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Post by adolph »

fells wrote: post #125
pookha wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird how Europeans have this fedual surf mentality.

If you're going to attack them, you could at least spell some of those words correctly.

Yeah, total nonsequiter. Everybody knows Fritz and Jacque don't surf.
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