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Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Post by idiotsecant »

User23 wrote: post #533
maury91 wrote: post #502

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Chicken is not red meat, and also it's an healthy meat ( not sure if in USA chickens are pumped with weird stuff that makes them unhealthy ), you can make a light version of schnitzel by using chicken breast ( mostly protein, low fat ), some healthy oil like EVO oil to shallow fry it, and you should be good ( also if you are worried about cholesterol you can avoid eggs and use other ingredients like oil to make the b…

You can trim, slice, and hammer pork tenderloin as another way to get a fairly low fat schnitzel. Regarding cholesterol, the link between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol isn’t very strong. As far as I know unless someone is following specific medical advice from their own provider eggs do not need to be restricted.

I think it's pretty well established that the dietary cholesterol to blood cholesterol link is very strong in some people, very weak in some people, and somewhere in the middle for most people. There are definitely 'hyper-responders' for whom dietary cholesterol is very, very bad. There are also people that can eat dozens of eggs a day and have perfectly normal blood cholesterol. The only way to know how those genetic dice rolled for you is to do a personal study - eat a lot of eggs for a while and see if you start to develop elevated cholesterol.

As an anecdote, I eat on average 8-10 eggs a day. They are my primary source of calories. My blood cholesterol is extremely low, like on the extreme low end of normal on most blood tests (although it is starting to creep up as I get older)

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Post by evanelias »

maury91 wrote: post #502
danjoredd wrote: post #492

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Agreed. My family has a long history of cardiovascular problems so I am trying to cut down on red meat myself to possibly extend my life...but dangit I want some chicken fried steak and cheeseburgers. I might use impossible burgers to satiate my cravings in a heart-healthy way, but it just isn't the same.

Chicken is not red meat, and also it's an healthy meat ( not sure if in USA chickens are pumped with weird stuff that makes them unhealthy ), you can make a light version of schnitzel by using chicken breast ( mostly protein, low fat ), some healthy oil like EVO oil to shallow fry it, and you should be good ( also if you are worried about cholesterol you can avoid eggs and use other ingredients like oil to make the b…

In case you were responding specifically to GP's mention of "chicken fried steak": it's beef, not chicken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_fried_steak

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Post by danjoredd »

wathef wrote: post #587
danjoredd wrote: post #492

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Agreed. My family has a long history of cardiovascular problems so I am trying to cut down on red meat myself to possibly extend my life...but dangit I want some chicken fried steak and cheeseburgers. I might use impossible burgers to satiate my cravings in a heart-healthy way, but it just isn't the same.

The problem with red meat isn't meat per se; all meat has saturated fat, some more than others. Reducing LDL cholesterol (reducing CVD risk) means increasing fiber and reducing saturated fat, and if someone chimes in saying that it's not casual, we have an excellent mendelian randomization study that gives us a pretty good link [1]. All plant-based meat alternatives, including cheeses, have high amounts of saturated…

Aw dang. I might just have to keep skipping burgers then and just learn some new favorite meals lol

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Post by TheRealNGenius »

georgyo wrote: post #437
maury91 wrote: post #429

I'm not a fan of plant-based meat, this is most likely because of my culture ( I'm Sardinian ), we do have many meat based dishes and many plant based dishes, and honestly I don't see the need to cook the meat based ones with processed food that tries to replicate the taste and consistency of meat. I believe that if you don't want to eat meat there's a world of recipes that do not involve meat and are made to elevate…

Meat tastes really good. I think there are many people who want to eat less meat but really enjoy meat. I am one of those people.

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Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Post by comte7092 »

unity1001 wrote: post #586
nightski wrote: post #568

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Well that's not true. Most cattle is grass fed for the majority of it's life at which point they will have them eat at feed lots to fatten up. Second, feed lots can use things like by-products of sugar production (molasses, beet pulp pellets, etc...) for feed. These are not human consumable and require no extra food to be grown. I've worked with a company that does over half a billion in revenue on this alone. There…

> Most cattle is grass fed for the majority of it's life Nope. The majority of cattle industry has transitioned to factory farming and the cattle in factories are fed with edible produce. Not grass. The current meat demand is not something that mere grazing can support. Even if it was possible to do with mere grazing, that's still not an argument: Grazing is done on land that could be used for many other purposes ran…

Nope, the majority of the industry has transitioned to factory farming, however cattle are still fed grass for the majority of their lives.

It’s not any less wasteful though. The system requires a massive amount of rangeland and grain to produce beef.

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Post by HWR_14 »

joshvm wrote: post #607
kup0 wrote: post #481

This editorialized link title and the article's headline itself doesn't really match the article's content (as is increasingly common it seems). Sure, Beyond Meat has had lower sales- but soon after they mention that retail sales of Impossible meat products increased 50% in 2022- with an odd "but the CEO left so they're in trouble" assessment which seems a bit bonkers. Then the author seems to say that because fake m…

A friend and I did a (literal) blind taste test with impossible/USDA organic beef/beyond. I was excited to do this as we don't get Impossible in Europe. We baked our own buns etc, cooked to temp with a probe, got some nice cheese on top good stuff. We also did a blind tests of the proteins on their own, and in a plain burger. Neither of us had any trouble picking out which product was which, but it was really interes…

Is there non-organic meat in Switzerland?

For fresh, organic, skinless, boneless chicken breast you can pay $27/lbs in the US at an upscale store. Or skin-on non-organic at Walmart for under $3.

I have no frame of reference for if that is the beast chicken you can get from a fancy grocery store or the standard chicken from a standard store.

Your eggs seem to be about 50% higher than US eggs right now. Which seems to work out to a similar multiple if your chicken breast prices are for high-end chicken in a high-end store.

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Post by wohfab »

armatav wrote: post #615

It tastes terrible - so who’s really surprised? Anyone saying it tastes like meat is ignoring the rubber texture and dryness

Then you didn't try a good one, yet. I can say the same about a steak that's cooked "wrong" or a "burger" where nobody ever knows what actually is in there because for all you know it can be hundreds of dead animals in a single burger patty.

It tastes terrible, if you cannot cook. That is true for every single meal.

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Post by heresie-dabord »

kup0 wrote: post #481

This editorialized link title and the article's headline itself doesn't really match the article's content (as is increasingly common it seems). Sure, Beyond Meat has had lower sales- but soon after they mention that retail sales of Impossible meat products increased 50% in 2022- with an odd "but the CEO left so they're in trouble" assessment which seems a bit bonkers. Then the author seems to say that because fake m…

The full title of TFA:

"Fake Meat Was Supposed to Save the World. It Became Just Another Fad Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods wanted to upend the world’s $1 trillion meat industry. But plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop."

It is of course possible for any business to "flop", whether or not it makes good products.

A "$1 trillion meat industry" with influential interests is not going to transform (much less disappear) suddenly. Consumers of meat products, like people who seem to need bigger and bigger vehicles, are accustomed (conditioned) to viewing their needs a certain way.

The failure of a business that sought to deliver a product that would change the above is not a surprise. For sociological context, consider (as TFA states) that McDonalds is still selling its plant-based product in markets outside the US.

None of this changes the principles of vegetarianism or veganism. These practices have existed for a long time and for good reasons.

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