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Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Some vegans believe that it is unethical to kill animals, and that they should have the same rights as us. Of course, they're wrong because animals aren't able to think. Others believe that meat is bad for the environment, however I don't know if that is correct as I haven't done any research on the topic.

If not being able to think was justification for eating something, well, there's a coworker I have, but he'd probably taste bad.

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Meat tastes really good. I think there are many people who want to eat less meat but really enjoy meat. I am one of those people.

Agreed. My family has a long history of cardiovascular problems so I am trying to cut down on red meat myself to possibly extend my life...but dangit I want some chicken fried steak and cheeseburgers. I might use impossible burgers to satiate my cravings in a heart-healthy way, but it just isn't the same.

Chicken is not red meat, and also it's an healthy meat ( not sure if in USA chickens are pumped with weird stuff that makes them unhealthy ), you can make a light version of schnitzel by using chicken breast ( mostly protein, low fat ), some healthy oil like EVO oil to shallow fry it, and you should be good ( also if you are worried about cholesterol you can avoid eggs and use other ingredients like oil to make the breadcrumbs/panko/flour/semola stick to the meat )

PS: I'm not a doctor, to my knowledge this is a healthy dish but if you have any health issue I recommend first talking with someone with a specialisation to know how much is healthy and much you can eat of it

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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How strange, we massively subsidize meat production, we don't even consider letting meat producers pay for the externalities they cause, and then plant-based alternatives have a hard time competing. It's a real mystery.

We also massively subsidise plant based food production. And non-food production like tobacco...

Most subsidized plant agriculture is used to feed livestock

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Meat tastes really good. I think there are many people who want to eat less meat but really enjoy meat. I am one of those people.

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1) Agree; 2) Fine, I'll give you that; 3) Spectacularly false.

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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How strange, we massively subsidize meat production, we don't even consider letting meat producers pay for the externalities they cause, and then plant-based alternatives have a hard time competing. It's a real mystery.

The externalities of a plant-based diet are enormous, from the use of pesticides which then leads to the decimation of the bird population to the massive amount of fossil-fuel-based fertilizer, to the explosion in the rate of obesity and diabetes -- at least grazing cattle is good for the land and leads to carbon sequestration.

Most cattle doesn’t graze, and grazing being “good” for the land is contentious.

Most cattle eats soy beans and stuff like that. Incidentally, crops grown for cattle are a big driver of Amazon rainforest destruction.

This is all widely known at this point.

Cattle also emits significant amounts of methane, a potent greenhouse gas.

So overall cattle is far far worse environmentally, having all the bad things your comment cited about an order of magnitude worse than the food your comment cited.

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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This editorialized link title and the article's headline itself doesn't really match the article's content (as is increasingly common it seems). Sure, Beyond Meat has had lower sales- but soon after they mention that retail sales of Impossible meat products increased 50% in 2022- with an odd "but the CEO left so they're in trouble" assessment which seems a bit bonkers. Then the author seems to say that because fake m…

The fundamental problem is that everyone has a different reason for wanting plant-based meat/fake meat. So by any particular metric, they have failed.

Some people want fake meat to be a 1:1 meat substitute because they love meat but can't eat it (allergies, cardiovascular, etc). Some people want cheaper meat because quality meat you can trust has grown too expensive. Some people want more vegan/vegetarian options because they object to killing animals or economic externalities that cattle grazing causes. Some people want meat-based substitutes because the companies are public and they are looking for the next unicorn to invest in.

The problem is, those looking for meat substitute think it isn't close enough, those who want cheaper meat think it's too expensive, vegans/vegetarians have actually vegetable based options and aren't necessarily looking for fake meat at all, and investors fell for hype.

Every one of these entities has a different metric, and several of them are at odds with each other. In my opinion, if plant-based meat turns out to be a flop, it will be because its core market is too many different groups and it'll never satiate all of them.

Case in point - read the comments on this article. Everyone has a different reason for wanting or not wanting this stuff.

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Not even going to read the article because I know this is bs. Every time I go to the grocery store there are more plant based meat alternative products to choose from than last time, and the best ones sell really fast.

It's not even just in the US. In the UK recently I was elated to find so many vegan food choices in the supermarket. More than in America! And so good. Vegan Pukka Pies! Vegan Quorn ham slices that I wish we had in America!

It's a great time to be a vegan!

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Exactly. Most burger chains don't use high quality meat for their burgers. You go to McDonald's, Burger King, or whatever and you are getting a greasy grey slab of ground "meat" (let's not think to long about where that comes from) that is 1) very thin 2) a bit rubbery 3) not that tasty 4) has some filler content in addition to meat and fat. To cover that up, most burger chains use lots of sauce, salt, and spices. It…

It comes from a normal farm and they are actually quite thorough in validating the cow was healthy. Source: Parents had a farm in europe and mc donalds inspected it.

That doesn't make it high quality.

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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Fake meat feels similar to my Slovenian eyes. There's a whole world of recipes that just don't include meat and are delicious. It wasn't until I moved to the USA that I even realized those are "vegetarian" ... to me they're just regular foods and recipes. Lots of cottage cheese hearty meals with high protein content. It helps that traditional (100+ years ago) Slovenian culture was that you rarely eat meat because mea…

Fake meat is generally aimed more at meat eaters than people who are already vegetarian or vegan. If you already like tofu and seitan, you probably aren't trading those in for the new products.

I know a lot of vegetarians who have been such for decades and half their diet is veggie sausages, burgers, and similar. Not even the new fake meats, the previous generation.

Re: Plant-based meat is turning out to be a flop

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I'm not a fan of plant-based meat, this is most likely because of my culture ( I'm Sardinian ), we do have many meat based dishes and many plant based dishes, and honestly I don't see the need to cook the meat based ones with processed food that tries to replicate the taste and consistency of meat. I believe that if you don't want to eat meat there's a world of recipes that do not involve meat and are made to elevate…

I second this sentiment. General advice is to avoid things in boxes and bags: aka highly processed foods. The ingredients list on the beyond meat website looks like this: Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegrana…

Huh that’s actually not too many unfamiliar ingredients. Pea protein, methyl cellulose and potassium chloride. Sure those could be harmful but that’s not exactly the same as a Twinkie
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