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Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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This is the conservative playbook. Cut funding until the entity can't run properly, then yell JEEZ GUYS YOU REALLY SUCK wHY DON'T WE SHUT YOU DOWN The previous president significantly cut the FAA's budget, maybe we're just seeing now how that affects us in the long term

Large complex systems don't work.

That's demonstrably untrue.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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> 167 missing sites at last check. That seems like a lot but curious to know what percentage of their total sites this is. I think I found the full list here: https://www.aviationweather.gov/docs/metar/stations.txt This list is worldwide and I see no information about this outage being region specific so I'll assume it's worldwide. Seems like they have about 9,517 sites so this is about 1.75% of their sites worldwide

You should not assume it's world wide. Given "the FAA is investigating" and there's no reports of other countries it's reasonable to assume that this is limited to the US, or at least northern continental America. (The title of the submission is also "Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage")

> The title of the submission is also "Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage"

Yeah, but the title is made up. There is noting in the official report about this being "nationwide".

The report only states that there is a metar outage consisting of 167 stations.

It doesn't provide any context on which stations are missing or how they are distributed.

Adding "nationwide" to the title is pure FUD IMO.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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How do you imagine this withholding system would work? Does your tax burden stay the same, and they just make sure your dollars only go to the programs you support? Do they give you a list of every active program? Every single one? What happens with 800 page appropriations bills where you don't support one line-item? Can I opt not to fund the salaries of specific members of Congress? If my neighbor is a veteran, and…

Would love to designate which things to prioritize from my tax money. 50% family services and education, 30% infrastructure, 10% military, 10% general.

Cool; we're now the nation of "every homeless person gets a puppy but no services". It sounds great on the individual level; it's entirely unworkable on a societal level.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Unlike the NOTAM outage, a METAR outage will and should actually affect flights. Without weather at your destination it becomes impossible to know if it’s safe to land there. The forecasts (TAF) are actually used more in flight planning, but actual weather is very valuable while enroute, when not close enough to hear weather over the radio from the destination airport.

Yep. Not knowing the atmospheric pressure can lead to planes crashing, especially if it's inclement weather.

Wouldn't each airport measure and report the local weather anyways?

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Unlike the NOTAM outage, a METAR outage will and should actually affect flights. Without weather at your destination it becomes impossible to know if it’s safe to land there. The forecasts (TAF) are actually used more in flight planning, but actual weather is very valuable while enroute, when not close enough to hear weather over the radio from the destination airport.

Are local weather conditions not generally available for all airports at all times?

They are. I've even seen small aircraft pilots call the automated weather line from the cockpit while they're preparing to approach the destination airport.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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Once is happenstance, twice coincidence, three times is enemy action. It could be Russia, Iran, China, climate direct action groups (probably not y'all qaeda though). Or maybe it's just ancient software running on older hardware that's starting to fall over after a couple years of lighter loads and a sudden increase in complexity and weirdness. Everything is breaking at the moment.

There's also the world's biggest viral pandemic that's still ongoing and currently in a post-holiday peak where many people are out sick...

"sudden increase in complexity and weirdness"

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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I'm not a conversative. Presidents don't pass budgets. FAA funding has increased, not decreased. I can criticize my government all I want. You're turning this into a political party thing when it's a government service failure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/whi... Relevant quote: "President Trump’s support for a plan to lop more than 30,000 Federal Aviation Administration workers from the federal payroll gives fresh momentum to an effort that stalled in Congress last year. The proposal is included in Trump’s 2018 budget, which would cut funding for the Transportation Department by 13 percent."

Okay, that's a proposal. Now show where it passed and the results.

Re: Nationwide FAA weather reporting outage

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I remember being the other way around, you could estimate height of the cloud based on dew point and base altitude.

Yup! 400' AGL for every 1 deg C of temperature spread.

Yah! So you can find the dew point by flying up to just below the cloud and look at the altimeter and do some math ;)
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