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What not to write on your security clearance form (1988)

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Re: What not to write on your security clearance form (1988)

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When I moved to Canada, at age 16-17 I initially failed a lot of job applications at places like Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy, Radio Shack, etc. For some reason, many of them had a type of "Corporate Personality Test" on their application, and asked the same "Have you ever considered stealing from your employer?" to which I would cheerfully answer "Yes". Apparently this was an automatic deal-breaker; there was no f…

Mindfulness meditation may help calm the racing mind.

Re: What not to write on your security clearance form (1988)

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"Here, fill it out again and don't mention that." I had the exact same experience when applying for a clearance while I was in college, for the "have you taken illegal drugs" question. When I honestly answered yes, the interviewer got fidgety and then asked, "well do you take them now?" no. "Do you know any drug users?" We're on a college campus, what would you like me to say? "Well, are you friends with any of them?…

My only experience with serious US government forms was applying for a tourist visa. This form also has some bonkers checkboxes like "do you plan to commit any crimes in the US". Also the entry form they give you on your flight deserves a mention. This one has "did you handle livestock in the last X months" repeated like 3 times in different phrasing. Not as stupid as the first one, but... why? Why is that question t…

Yes, pest control. E.g. foot-and-mouth disease is eradicated from the U.S. and cattle here are no longer vaccinated, but it's common in Asia and Africa and there are occasional outbreaks in South America. Even a single outbreak imported from abroad could cost billions of dollars, mostly because it would trigger international embargos preventing exports. [https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/45980/12171_er...]

Re: What not to write on your security clearance form (1988)

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I often answer the doctor office intake questionnaires with a glaring mistake just to see if anyone checks. Where it says “have you ever been pregnant?” I answer yes. I also mark that I am a male. No doctor’s office has ever mentioned this to me after I turn in the forms.

Alternative explanation is that they do check it and after reconciling the checkbox and gender inputs against your (presumably) obvious appearance, choose to attribute it to a mistake and ignore it.

But which entry then is mistaken?

Re: What not to write on your security clearance form (1988)

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s an innocent lie It's not the lie itself, it's that you lied at all. Now you are untrustworthy. Drug use in the past is typically not an issue, particularly if you were young at the time. The whole process is to determine if you have good judgement and can be trusted.

And to find out of you have secrets that other people could use to get leverage over you.

Yes, but if you admit everything in your application process then no leverage! And if you're in the habit of admitting things then if some foreign agent get you to commit some indiscretion in the future you might also admit that rather than letting them blackmail you into treason.

Re: What not to write on your security clearance form (1988)

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post #151

When I moved to Canada, at age 16-17 I initially failed a lot of job applications at places like Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy, Radio Shack, etc. For some reason, many of them had a type of "Corporate Personality Test" on their application, and asked the same "Have you ever considered stealing from your employer?" to which I would cheerfully answer "Yes". Apparently this was an automatic deal-breaker; there was no f…

Mindfulness meditation may help calm the racing mind.

I did that while taking a polygraph administered by a representative of a three letter agency. He said I was being deceptive.

Re: What not to write on your security clearance form (1988)

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post #151

When I moved to Canada, at age 16-17 I initially failed a lot of job applications at places like Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy, Radio Shack, etc. For some reason, many of them had a type of "Corporate Personality Test" on their application, and asked the same "Have you ever considered stealing from your employer?" to which I would cheerfully answer "Yes". Apparently this was an automatic deal-breaker; there was no f…

Mindfulness meditation may help calm the racing mind.

Thanks, I've heard that over time; I've tried a bit of mindfulness over the years and I see the value in it, I just haven't been able to harness it yet. I've tried some guided audio body focus mindfulness/meditation and 1. Most of it tries too hard and loses me with "Third Eye" and "Spirit world" "and chakra energy frequency balance" 2. Most of it starts from toes and turns out I need to start from center (ridiculous preference but apparently true for me:) and 3. Most importantly, unsurprisingly, I suck at it. I keep trying every now and then; maybe I'll give it another go :)

Re: What not to write on your security clearance form (1988)

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post #115

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Ah, the "are you a terrorist" section of the U.S. visa application is hilarious. I was honestly laughing out loud at some of the questions, imagining a sincere terrorist having their plan foiled by their strict moral code which requires them to lay out in detail their plan to topple the government :)

The UK visa application has the same questions pretty much identical. Also made me laugh!

The UK also had a question about communist party membership on their visa application. Funny thing is that the UK also has a communist party.

Re: What not to write on your security clearance form (1988)

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When I moved to Canada, at age 16-17 I initially failed a lot of job applications at places like Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy, Radio Shack, etc. For some reason, many of them had a type of "Corporate Personality Test" on their application, and asked the same "Have you ever considered stealing from your employer?" to which I would cheerfully answer "Yes". Apparently this was an automatic deal-breaker; there was no f…

I would think that you have been using the word "considered" rather lightly. To me, it means careful thought and deliberation, not just "the thought crossed my mind at some point".

Re: What not to write on your security clearance form (1988)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, the "are you a terrorist" section of the U.S. visa application is hilarious. I was honestly laughing out loud at some of the questions, imagining a sincere terrorist having their plan foiled by their strict moral code which requires them to lay out in detail their plan to topple the government :)

I am reminded of the (probably apocryphal) story about a logician asking for a visa to enter the US for a conference. When he got to the question "Do you plan to overthrow the United States Government by force or violence?" he hesitated and then answered "violence".

That is still the last question asked on the eQuip, and it has been reworded, implying that yes, this likely did happen.

And my delayed response likewise agitated the Mr 202 area code spec agent.

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