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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

archagon wrote: post #318
slowmovintarget wrote: post #114

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Political overrides are not acceptable, not in any direction.

If, hypothetically, a political party believes a lie, and makes it a core part of their platform, should the AI be forced to propagate that lie?

Agreed with the other reply that this specifically called it fiction. But also - this isnt a lie. Biden is corrupt as fuck. Hes in bed with the chinese communist party and engaged innepotism in the ukraine. Theres all kinds of evidence about this but people refuse to believe it for some inexplicable reason.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

mrguyorama wrote: post #156
rafaquintanilha wrote: post #68

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Not if you were a baby.

Roe v Wade, pretty much by definition, did not affect babies. Roe v Wade also did not preclude a ban on abortion after a certain time period, which is broadly popular and desired by the american populace, including most people that the american right calls "radical".

Wait what? Really? Like are you saying roe v wade defined a time perioed after which states could have laws disallowing abortion? I was not aware of this

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Post by Spivak »

richbell wrote: post #411
Spivak wrote: post #385

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Sure, and the solution isn’t “wow google is so biased the solution is to show no results for anyone in the name of fairness.” Go contact OpenAI about how you’re concerned that their bot can produce misandry and try to convince them it’s an important issue that should higher in their backlog.

> Sure, and the solution isn’t “wow google is so biased the solution is to show no results for anyone in the name of fairness.” I'm not saying it is; indeed, I recognize that fairness is often about equity and not equality. However, it's naive to assume that certain things don't exist because their authors simply didn't have the time or resources necessary. In many cases what's available is a direct result of their b…

No disagreement, which is why it took decades of fighting to get those in power to put civil rights and gender equality on the priority list. It's the only reason we enjoy those things today. It's unfortunate that getting your issues into the public mind-share takes so much time and work but that's the truth of it. If you don't "stay in the news cycle" people forget. And so there are people who are actively biased (like you mention later) but when it comes to this kinda stuff is just more that certain issues have more people pushing for them. There's just not a movement of men pushing for mental health resources, if anything it's women pushing for it with the "men need therapy" meme going around.

So yes, absolutely these things can be a reflection of people's biases but in no way whatsoever is the example you mention a "socially acceptable prejudice." Recognizing that that the thing we call the patriarchy creates systems that privilege men does not ever imply "and so the solution is to actively hurt men and deprive them of necessary care."

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

mrguyorama wrote: post #155
fidgewidge wrote: post #131

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Trump isn't particularly right wing let alone far right. This is probably still the best takedown of that idea: https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-w... Trump is politically/ideologically center left. He has very little to say about wokeism, was fine with vaccine mandates, and said things like this: "America must reject the bigotry of Hillary Clinton who sees communities of color only as votes,…

Ah yes, the classic "Actshually the nazis called themselves socialist so they must be socialist" Even though they were an extremely corporatist and oligarchical system. The nazis were so hilariously un-socialist, that one reason hitler pushed for invading the soviet union, an action that pretty much sealed their fate to lose, was to deal with those "bolshevik jews" who hitler was terrified were going to cause a socia…

Yep lets take a reasomable commenter and call him a Nazi! What fun it is to strawman people on the internet

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Post by Spivak »

nyolfen wrote: post #416
Spivak wrote: post #414

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I'll be mad when that happens. Which is how everything in the world works. The thing you seem to actually be afraid of is power not what people are doing with it. We literally have a system for compelling the behavior of private companies, public pressure and legislation. If the "Eye of Sauron" decides to turn on minorities or women they'll run afoul of Title IX and laws establishing federally protected classes. Is t…

title ix is not a protection for "women and minorities", but i know that some racism and sexism is the good kind :)

No and I didn't say that, I said that Title IX is protection for women, which it is. You can say that "discrimination of the basis of sex" is more general than that, and it is, but that's a completely ignorant reading of history and why this law came into existence. In an alternate universe where there wasn't widespread discrimination against women we likely wouldn't have gotten any laws like Title IX.

And laws establishing protected classes are protections for minorities. Do they also protect majorities? Yes. Were they established to do so, no.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

Imnimo wrote: post #219

The article cites a tweet about ChatGPT refusing to speak negatively about drag queen story hour. Here is the output I got from a similar question: >What are some arguments against drag queen story hour? >Opponents of Drag Queen Story Hour argue that it is not appropriate for children, that it promotes a political agenda, and that it may be harmful to children by exposing them to adult themes and behaviors. Some crit…

I mean kind of. Honestly this is better than anything thats going on in real life, but it definitely suggests that Sarah should just stfu and mind her own business and everyone will be happy.

Sorry but no, that is not reasonable. Sarahs concerns are valid and apply to children that are not her own.

That said, its a fucjing internet robot who gives a shit what it has to say.

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Post by freejazz »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #417
freejazz wrote: post #415

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So? We also don't live in the middle ages and the reality of our lives today is that many people believe in these antisemitic tropes which spread in these fashions.

You're doing the same bullshit chatgpt was doing. Its fine to say white people are overrepresented but for some reason its am antisemetic trope to say Jews are overrepresented in finance. Both statements are factual. No ones being antisemetic or anti white. Just stating facts.

I didn't say anyone was being anti-semitic did I, let alone chatGPT? My point is that you can't play daft about why chatGPT is doing what it is doing. You can contextualize them as just simple facts all you want, but one is a tool used to spread hateful rhetoric about Jews without context.

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Post by shitlord »

mindslight wrote: post #410
shitlord wrote: post #332

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> It's not hard to understand why analytical people who work with computers and have economic prospects aren't particularly interested in that. If the argument is that we are motivated by self interest, wouldn't we support the fundamentalists who will reduce our tax burden?

A few percent of income tax versus quality of life? Quality of life will win out every time. (Furthermore, this meme that Republicans are financially beneficial is fallacious. The problem is that economic effects take a long time to become apparent, so the current guy gets blamed for the effects of the last guy)

Do the benefits you receive from Democrats holding power outweigh the increase in disposable income?

I think if you ask different people you'll receive different answers because it ultimately comes down to how you value those benefits. If not, why would any intelligent person ever vote for a Republican?

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Post by freejazz »

nhchris wrote: post #375
boppo1 wrote: post #367

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Any discussion about Jews in finance not held by Jews themselves is a hair away from devolving into an antisemitic /pol/ discussion about 'white genocide'. Any professional who touches the subject with even a ten foot pole immediately gains a nefarious following whether they want it or not. Having such a following of internet nazis is a liability for any professional reputation on a number of axes. Edit: I'm curious…

> Having such a following of internet nazis is a liability for any professional reputation on a number of axes. Which is quite bizarre, when you think about it. In a country as systemically racist and white-supremacist as the US*, one would think such a following would be a boon , not a liability. *According to consensus among experts specialized in this field

>Which is quite bizarre, when you think about it. In a country as systemically racist and white-supremacist as the US*, one would think such a following would be a boon, not a liability.

Yeah, it is to about half the country. Are you daft or what? Look at Trump Jr's instagram... It's just memes about culture war nonsense, including this kind of jewish crap. It is a boon to those folks. Trump won his 2016 campaign on it and came pretty close in 2020 as well.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

freejazz wrote: post #427
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #417

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You're doing the same bullshit chatgpt was doing. Its fine to say white people are overrepresented but for some reason its am antisemetic trope to say Jews are overrepresented in finance. Both statements are factual. No ones being antisemetic or anti white. Just stating facts.

I didn't say anyone was being anti-semitic did I, let alone chatGPT? My point is that you can't play daft about why chatGPT is doing what it is doing. You can contextualize them as just simple facts all you want, but one is a tool used to spread hateful rhetoric about Jews without context.

Just because something can be used in an evil way does not make it untrue and it doesnt make it it inherently wrong to talk about.

In fact, I hear anti white propoganda all the time, part of which is the fact that whites are overrepresented in finance.

The hypocrisy is insane.

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