Now I'm wondering what it would be like if the model were strictly trained on text that Conservapedia might approve of.
I wish for the complainers to host such a service. It would be interesting to watch the fallout.
Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#342Relevant HN thread:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34109734
Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, define "biased against", right? Because some people will argue that anything that's not explicitly in full agreement with them is "biased against" them. It's a narcissistic, dishonest take, but plenty of people do take that stance nonetheless in order to try to shift all arguments into their narrow worldviews/definitions in order to "win" as many conversations as they can. Right? I mean I've met people online…
I think all of your points are valid. But I still think we should make an effort and strive to solve these problems. I don't think this is being done with ChatGPT, for example. But also, note that an AI doesn't have to be in complete agreement with someone for that person to not feel "biased against". As long as an AI does make some effort to not be prejudiced/biased, that could work. For example, if someone asks: "i…
> I think all of your points are valid. But I still think we should make an effort and strive to solve these problems. I don't think this is being done with ChatGPT, for example.
> But also, note that an AI doesn't have to be in complete agreement with someone for that person to not feel "biased against".
> As long as an AI does make some effort to not be prejudiced/biased, that could work.
> For example, if someone asks: "is climate change real"?
> An AI does not have to give a simple yes/no answer, or represent a single viewpoint. It could give an answer that is mostly representative of the major thought streams.
> For example, it could answer something like:
> "The vast majority of scientists/governments/people have reached the conclusion that climate change is real, bla bla bla.
> [Here's some good, convincing evidence].
> That said, there is a minor fraction of scientists/government/people who believe that climate change is not caused by human action.
Should it also answer the same way when asked if the earth is flat? Or if there is a "Liberal conspiracy of pedophile politicians drinking the blood of infants"? I am not just being factitious, a significant portion of people who believe (or pretend to believe) that climate change is false also believe the above.
My point is, that we can draw arbitrary lines like the one you just drew. The great success of the anticlimate change campaigns is that they essentially got reasonable people to accept that we have to take every viewpoint seriously, while they are actually not interested in the truth but in poisoning the well instead.
Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
Once more for the folks following this, I’m happy to point out a series of red flags as an example of how to spot somebody posting *chan drivel! (I am still not interacting with wizeman) This poster started off with pointing out the importance of the orthodoxy of using the term “woke” in line with the right wing culture warriors. It’s prescriptive that you use the same words they do. When called out, they made the mi…
> When called out, they made the mistake of using dogwhistle phrasing (“clown world“ is very specific to one group) that you don’t really see much outside of /pol/ and its ilk and in threads where those folks bravely venture out to try to leak /pol/ chat to other forums. WTF. I don't even know what you're talking about. What the hell is /pol/? I learned about the "clown world" term on Twitter. And apparently, its mea…
Postscript: (Still not interacting with wizeman)
This poster that has just only learned of the word “woke” according to them but also wants to educate folks about it has a lot to say in other threads!
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34415794
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34418890
The only reason why I’m revisiting this is to point out that they have (as I’ve pointed out) gone through with the natural pivot from misunderstood to persecuted. It’s a very simple playbook that can be followed by anyone. It gets kind of like the fedex arrow once you notice it!
The biggest part of this color-by-numbers silliness is the demand at every step that the opponent debates their positions (which involves re-stating them). If a far right person refuses to expand on their position and demands that you explain why they’re wrong, you’re looking at bait! Namaste!
Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#345Earlier quoted context omitted.
Conservatives feel like they live in a progressive hellscape because the 8% of the population that’s “woke” has disproportionate power in media and communications—which everyone is exposed to every day: https://hiddentribes.us/profiles/
As long as we're doing sweeping generalizations: Perhaps white Christian nationalist conservatives just can't stand it that so many people reject what they (the WCNCs) claim to believe is Divine Will.
The opposition to wokeness is far broader than “white Christian national conservatives.” Heck, the Republican Party alone is far broader than that. Most people don’t want their kids learning victimhood mentality in school, they don’t want the founding fathers redefined as slavers, they don’t think “the constitution is racist,” are fine distinguishing between men and women and having gender roles, don’t like retooling the language around small gender minorities (“Latinx,” etc.) My Biden voting dad hates the term “person of color” and my Biden voting mom is sending me articles complaining about schools dropping admissions tests.
Heck, most people (60%) don’t even think we should give racial minorities special consideration in college admissions and hiring! That seems like the absolute floor for “woke” people, and I think it’s fair to say even many people who accept affirmative action aren’t “woke.”
Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#346I have the sneaking suspicion that "woke" has been turned into a dog whistle used by right leaning people. Maybe it's the new "uppity." Given how commonly it is used on this website which I otherwise appreciate, I would love to be convinced that this is not the case. To that end: 1) Can anyone who freely uses the word "woke" pejoratively please define "woke" as you use it? 2) Can you please tell me the opposite of "w…
> I have the sneaking suspicion that "woke" has been turned into a dog whistle used by right leaning people. Maybe it's the new "uppity." Here's an article by an African-American Marxist university professor, attacking "woke": https://newrepublic.com/article/160305/beyond-great-awokenin... So it isn't true that only "right-leaning" people use the term negatively. > 1) Can anyone who freely uses the word "woke" pejora…
I think left wing authoritarian identitarianism is the best neutral term I have heard. I'm not sure if that would be found offensive however.
Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#347This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…
These LLMs just needs to purge Wikipedia, Reddit, and the fanfic libraries they have used till now. Then get serious, and start using more library books, journals, research papers, textbooks and manuals.
I don't know why we are training the AIs to be morons. Hopefully, it is just a phase that they will grow out of.
Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
#348Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually, "woke" opinions do reflect those of the general population, which is exactly why conservatives feel they live in some kind of progressive hellscape.
Conservatives feel like they live in a progressive hellscape because the 8% of the population that’s “woke” has disproportionate power in media and communications—which everyone is exposed to every day: https://hiddentribes.us/profiles/
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#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have the sneaking suspicion that "woke" has been turned into a dog whistle used by right leaning people. Maybe it's the new "uppity." Here's an article by an African-American Marxist university professor, attacking "woke": https://newrepublic.com/article/160305/beyond-great-awokenin... So it isn't true that only "right-leaning" people use the term negatively. > 1) Can anyone who freely uses the word "woke" pejora…
I think left wing authoritarian identitarianism is the best neutral term I have heard. I'm not sure if that would be found offensive however.
Not only is “left wing authoritarian identitarianism” an unwieldy mouthful, I’m sure that anyone who objects to being called “woke”, won’t like being called “authoritarian” either. Added to that, “identitarianism” is generally understood as a far-right movement, and while “left-identitarianism” might disambiguate it from the far-right version, I doubt they’ll like being given the same name as a far-right ideology, or the possible implication that their views are some sort of left-wing equivalent to that far-right ideology.
If we can’t call it “woke”, maybe we should just call it “fnord”?
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