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Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by LeoPanthera »

prox wrote: post #38
LeoPanthera wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This varied over the course of the show. In the first season, some writers assumed the computer was self-aware, and it even addressed a crew member as "Sir" at one point, interrupting them when it had enough information. In later seasons it acts more like, well, a computer. Geordi does play (verbal) games with it in one episode, however, while bored on a shuttlecraft trip.

I have to look that Geordi episode up. But I am mostly familiar with the later TNG era star trek, so I didn’t know it was written as self-aware in the early days. Some episodes do feature “bugs” where holographic actors become aware being in a program/being an actor. The episode where an Irish town program has run too long on Voyager comes to mind. (Edit: I do wonder if the holographic actors are somehow sandboxed co…

The episode is "The Mind's Eye".

But I think the Star Trek writers just didn't understand computers very well. In the future, making duplicate copies of data seems to be impossible. When you copy a file from one device to another, or one ship to another, or transmit it to a planet, it seems to disappear from the source.

This is a particularly common weirdness in Voyager, where duplicating holographic programs is apparently impossible. You can only move them.

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by yellow_lead »

> That Claude seems to have a detailed understanding of what it is, who its creators are, and what ethical principles guided its design is one of its more impressive features.

This doesn't show a detailed understanding of what it is, it's just a canned/trained response. I don't see why that would be impressive. When I receive such a response from an automated helpdesk, I don't think "Wow, this AI has a great understanding of what it is."

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by astrange »

code51 wrote: post #15
LeoPanthera wrote: post #11

They say Claude is "more verbose", and claim this is a positive. I disagree. My biggest criticism of ChatGPT is that its answers are extraordinarily long and waffly. It sometimes reminds me of a scam artist trying to bamboozle me with words. I would much prefer short, concise, precise answers.

You are able to prompt ChatGPT to be concise, you know? They set a default and showed it to the world. It is up to you to tune it according to your preference.

IIRC the ChatGPT paper actually says the verbosity is an unintended effect of the human raters preferring longer/more detailed answers.

Long answers from GPT are unusually obnoxious because of a way the decoder works; it emits words with a much more constant rate of perplexity than human text does (this is how GPT-vs-human detectors work) which makes it sound stuffy and monotone.

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by harvey9 »

logicallee wrote: post #45
jokethrowaway wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding "just code, don't talk" is a lifesaver I'm glad chatgpt can't quit

What do you mean by your second sentence?

I take that to mean they are glad because if you spoke to a human employee that way it would be seen as rude and the human would quit their job.

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by Roark66 »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #11

They say Claude is "more verbose", and claim this is a positive. I disagree. My biggest criticism of ChatGPT is that its answers are extraordinarily long and waffly. It sometimes reminds me of a scam artist trying to bamboozle me with words. I would much prefer short, concise, precise answers.

I just add "be succinct in your answer" when I want a less verbose answer.

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by mansoon »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #51
prox wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to look that Geordi episode up. But I am mostly familiar with the later TNG era star trek, so I didn’t know it was written as self-aware in the early days. Some episodes do feature “bugs” where holographic actors become aware being in a program/being an actor. The episode where an Irish town program has run too long on Voyager comes to mind. (Edit: I do wonder if the holographic actors are somehow sandboxed co…

The episode is "The Mind's Eye". But I think the Star Trek writers just didn't understand computers very well. In the future, making duplicate copies of data seems to be impossible. When you copy a file from one device to another, or one ship to another, or transmit it to a planet, it seems to disappear from the source. This is a particularly common weirdness in Voyager, where duplicating holographic programs is appa…

“Something something quantum something, copying breaks the entanglement in the original processor”

I.e. they went all in on c++ 11 and everything is an rvalue reference.

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by astrange »

defrost wrote: post #50
KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For humans yes, I am not saying one-shot learning would be possible for undocumented indigenous languages but few shot language acquisition in cases of a single surviving speaker is something that I would consider highly probable . This hypothesis relies heavily on the nature of variational learning in latent space and observations about human languages. It is of course possible that some ethnicity would have a langu…

> we can trace the roots of modern languages back to the Phoenician script That's modern European languages ... and post ~1100 BCE if I recall correctly. So, indigenous languages from people settled in Australia [1] for 50,000+ years can be a little different, some don't have "left" | "right" as relative to PoV directions and stick with East V. West as absolutes for example. We're down to maybe 20-30 from pre colonia…

> That's modern European languages ... and post ~1100 BCE if I recall correctly.

That's Indo-European (as in descended from PIE/Yanmaya). Basque is older than all of them and it's a living European language.

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by goodside »

yellow_lead wrote: post #53

> That Claude seems to have a detailed understanding of what it is, who its creators are, and what ethical principles guided its design is one of its more impressive features. This doesn't show a detailed understanding of what it is, it's just a canned/trained response. I don't see why that would be impressive. When I receive such a response from an automated helpdesk, I don't think "Wow, this AI has a great understa…

I said “seems to”, which I think is a fair description. In everyday life, even a canned message is sensibly said to be aware/unaware of a particular fact without a “seems to” qualifier, but I added one to be clear I’m not asserting it has human-like thinking.

Here’s Claude replying to your comment with more detail:

> You make a fair point that my responses about myself are generated by a trained model and are not a true "understanding" in the same way humans have self-awareness and understanding. I do not have a deep grasp of my own workings or my creators' intentions — I am an Al system with limited capabilities, trained on datasets by engineers at Anthropic, PBC, an Al safety research company. While my responses may seem somewhat compelling and convey factual information, they are indeed canned responses tailored to give an impression of understanding. I appreciate the feedback calling out the limitations of my capabilities and transparency — it is important for users to understand what I can and cannot do, and to maintain realistic expectations. My creators at Anthropic are working to further research and develop Al systems with enhanced understanding, transparency, and verifiability, including through Constitutional Al techniques, but we have a long way to go.

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by anhner »

I'm hoping of one day running GPT3/ChatGPT on my local computer, similarly to how one can run Stable Diffusion now.

I would love to have a personal conversation with these AI systems, use them as a sort of assistant, without the worry of being spied on. At the moment I can't use it as more than a glorified search engine, because of the privacy implications of running it on the cloud.

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