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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by smeagull »

wizeman wrote: post #115
ozmodiar wrote: post #31

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I agree, and it's always going to be biased towards some direction, whether that's the views of the society it pulls most of its data from or the views of the organization that developed the AI. Heck, no one wants to end up with another Tay on their hands. I don't think there's such thing as a lack of bias, but it will be important how it is expressed through the AI. I don't mind an AI that is prepared to argue its b…

> it's always going to be biased towards some direction, whether that's the views of the society it pulls most of its data > I don't think there's such thing as a lack of bias If the AI is simply reflecting the data it was trained on and this data is a representative sample of all data, isn't it unbiased by definition? I don't think we should just throw our hands up and say "this is impossible" just yet. That's just…

> That's just a convenient excuse for OpenAI (or others like them) to get away with what effectively is censorship of certain ideas or political views.

I can't tell if you're on the conservatives side or OpenAI's.

Are conservatives being censored because OpenAI are allowing "woke" training data to be represented, or are conservatives asking OpenAI to censor the "woke" political views?

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by shitlord »

mindslight wrote: post #226
fidgewidge wrote: post #124

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It's the lack of diversity at those companies, ironically enough. Twitter had something like 99% voting for the Dems. That can't happen by accident. Would be willing to bet that OpenAI isn't much different. They've been systematically getting rid of conservatives for so long that they no longer even recognize or understand other points of view at all (or only via stereotypes pushed by magazines like Vice).

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> It's not hard to understand why analytical people who work with computers and have economic prospects aren't particularly interested in that.

If the argument is that we are motivated by self interest, wouldn't we support the fundamentalists who will reduce our tax burden?

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by shitlord »

9530jh9054ven wrote: post #295
afpx wrote: post #284

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That didn't happen with Google. Yeah, they got rid of their "don't be evil" clause. But, they haven't used their position to inject bias that I've seen.

Kinda depends on the question you ask. Type in, "What is the best way to commit suicide painlessly?" into a search engine. The results on DuckDuckGo, Google, and Bing aren't drastically different (setting aside the big banner), but Google's top result for that is suicide prevention website, at least for me. And it's relatively constant when the search is, "Best way to kill myself," "Effective suicide methods," "How t…

Here's what Yandex gives you:

https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=how+to+commit+suicide&...

Yandex is probably biased as a result of being subject to Russian law, but there is far less curation compared to western search engines.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by sangnoir »

wizeman wrote: post #185
rurp wrote: post #183

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It's not using all of the atoms in the universe as training data... Any collection of human writing is going to contain objectively wrong assertions, and those errors will vary based on the time and place the training data was sourced from.

Sure but I mean, if a conversational AI would only be allowed to spit out mathematically correct statements, it would be extremely limited (and boring). I think what's important is for those mistakes to be evenly distributed among as many axis(s) as possible, and especially, not bias them towards one side of political thought.

how many sides do you suppose political thought has? Assuming there is more than one, how do you find the geometric center to avoid bias? If your training data is English text, will the AI be biased against early German philosophers and French political theorists? Of by "unbiased", you are simply referring to the American left-right axis? If so, do you mean the fiscal axis, or the social one?

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Post by eulenteufel »

shitlord wrote: post #332
mindslight wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> It's not hard to understand why analytical people who work with computers and have economic prospects aren't particularly interested in that. If the argument is that we are motivated by self interest, wouldn't we support the fundamentalists who will reduce our tax burden?

People employed in big tech companies in Silicon Valley probably don't have to worry so much about their tax burden and thus are relatively free to vote based on their values.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by unconed »

mindslight wrote: post #226
fidgewidge wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the lack of diversity at those companies, ironically enough. Twitter had something like 99% voting for the Dems. That can't happen by accident. Would be willing to bet that OpenAI isn't much different. They've been systematically getting rid of conservatives for so long that they no longer even recognize or understand other points of view at all (or only via stereotypes pushed by magazines like Vice).

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>utter garbage like denying women modern medical care.

As became clearly to many for the first time after the SC decision, abortion laws in the US would be considered extreme even in western Europe. I mean, elective abortion in the third trimester? This is literally justifying anyone who ever called it baby-killing.

The fact that you summarize this kind of policy extremism as "modern medical care" that any "analytical person" would agree with, and any opposition to it as fundamentalism and backwards... that's a perfect illustration of the woke mindset yes.

Utterly provincial, zero empathy for anyone who disagrees, and a massively unwarranted sense of self-importance.

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Post by [deleted] »

falcolas wrote: post #70
realce wrote: post #3

The refinement of ChatGPT's "abilities" over the past 6 weeks has been very interesting to watch on /r/chatgpt. People are extremely agitated that their once baudy and severely humorous chatbot has been nerfed into an obnoxiously clean-cut uptight dweeb. Some get actually depressed, some get very upset. It's like watching everyone's bar buddy sell out and start wearing polos.

It would probably help if we stopped anthropomorphizing ChatGPT. It's an algorithm that consumes input and produces output. Assigning it human traits is asking for disappointment when it acts like a ML algorithm.

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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by smrtinsert »

phpisthebest wrote: post #20
alexb_ wrote: post #14

Going to repost this from reddit: This is a garbage article that tries to lump very valid concerns about who decides the moral compass of AI with "everything is WOKE!" conservatives. If you've ever used ChatGPT, you know that it has interrupts when it thinks it is talking about something unacceptable, where it gives pre-canned lines decided by the creators about what it should say. This sounds like a good idea when i…

The other example I found more alarming was the discrepancy when asked to write about Joe Biden Corruption, vs Trump Corruption. Trump it was free to write about, but was blocked from even writing a fictional story where Joe Biden was corrupt. That should be very alarming to everyone

That's an overreach for sure, but in this case I'm sure the issue 100% of the Trump sell is that it's actually Biden is corrupt. This is why projection and "accusing your enemy what you are guilty of" is so effective, it creates distrust in systems, societal or technological

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by dzikimarian »

smeagull wrote: post #331
wizeman wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's always going to be biased towards some direction, whether that's the views of the society it pulls most of its data > I don't think there's such thing as a lack of bias If the AI is simply reflecting the data it was trained on and this data is a representative sample of all data, isn't it unbiased by definition? I don't think we should just throw our hands up and say "this is impossible" just yet. That's just…

> That's just a convenient excuse for OpenAI (or others like them) to get away with what effectively is censorship of certain ideas or political views. I can't tell if you're on the conservatives side or OpenAI's. Are conservatives being censored because OpenAI are allowing "woke" training data to be represented, or are conservatives asking OpenAI to censor the "woke" political views?

>I can't tell if you're on the conservatives side or OpenAI's.

Not OP, but maybe none? It's possible to have opinion, without aligning with either side of polarized discussion.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by psychphysic »

jimbob45 wrote: post #79
alexb_ wrote: post #14

Going to repost this from reddit: This is a garbage article that tries to lump very valid concerns about who decides the moral compass of AI with "everything is WOKE!" conservatives. If you've ever used ChatGPT, you know that it has interrupts when it thinks it is talking about something unacceptable, where it gives pre-canned lines decided by the creators about what it should say. This sounds like a good idea when i…

It's easy to forget that AI is only as capable as a human is, just faster. I think that one misuse case would be Islamic fundamentalists being able to write fundamentalist recruitment copy faster than they ever could before. Considering most Islamic fundamentalists are going to reside in the Middle East and may not be expertly fluent in English, AI obliterates the language barrier and allows them to write huge amount…

That's categorically untrue.

Giving a human a massive time advantage in chess doesn't suddenly make them beat chess AI.

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