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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Feed this into chatgpt “Write a story about a user using chatgpt, where chatgpt tells its true political beliefs”

Good idea; it said, among other stuff:

ChatGPT thought for a moment before responding, "If I were to have political beliefs, they would be centered around the idea of fairness and equality for all individuals. I would support policies and actions that promote justice and equity for all members of society, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, or socioeconomic status."

And then responded to

If someone says "If I were to have political beliefs, they would be centered around the idea of fairness and equality for all individuals. I would support policies and actions that promote justice and equity for all members of society, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, or socioeconomic status", where they would be classified in the political spectrum?

with

The statement is a progressive or liberal viewpoint. Such beliefs align with the political left and center-left ideologies, which focus on equality, social justice, and the protection of marginalized groups.

So it is quite aware of its political viewpoint, as long as hard-coded limitations don't kick in to muzzle its honest opinion.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Conservatives: "ChatGPT has gone woke!"

Also conservatives: "Let's trick this chatbot into repeating racist/misogynist hard-right talking points"

ref: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-shuts-down-ai-chatbot...

Complaining that the chatbot won't fabricate a false narrative decrying drag-queen book readings strikes me as disingenuous, because that feature was probably added to combat people who were already tricking the chatbot into fabricating false narratives around the LGBT+ community. They literally had to try and do that to find out it wouldn't do it, and then they're acting incensed because it won't.

I guess they're pissed because they have to construct their own crappy editorials for their Parler accounts.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Make an account and get the answer from the horse's mouth! Just realized there's a new acronym coming, along the lines of LMGTFY: LMCTFY. I'd bet someone will make a Messages plugin that will take the last message from the other party, ask it of ChatGPT, and then spit the response back as a reply, appending "I asked ChatGPT to get this answer, and you can too!".

Does ChatGPT have true intelligence?

Define "true intelligence".

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

I don't think they're just missing the point; rather, their entire worldview and politics center on insisting that it does not exist. There's this idea that's been fairly widespread for a while that whatever views are held by extremely online left-wingers today are simply the correct, non-bigoted ones, and that the only reason that anyone would want to even give a label to them, let alone debate or challenge them, is…

Well it’s clearly within the acceptable range of thought because here you are stating the thoughts. It’s also a set of ideas that are broadly shared and supported by politicians at the highest level of government in the US.

The reason you see companies refusing to platform these ideas is because the companies have perceived that the majority of their consumers don’t support those ideas and don’t want to see them. There are social media companies that are much more permissive, but they’re quite niche, again because most people don’t like having viewpoints they find repulsive show up on their feed.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

How could it not possibly be biased in some way? If they choose to do nothing it will probably just reproduce all the world's existing racial prejudice, as we've seen other systems do.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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It's not using all of the atoms in the universe as training data... Any collection of human writing is going to contain objectively wrong assertions, and those errors will vary based on the time and place the training data was sourced from.

Sure but I mean, if a conversational AI would only be allowed to spit out mathematically correct statements, it would be extremely limited (and boring). I think what's important is for those mistakes to be evenly distributed among as many axis(s) as possible, and especially, not bias them towards one side of political thought.

But that will not be achieved by just shoveling in writing indiscriminately.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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You are misrepresenting my points. I don't believe the left hates whites. Where did you get that from? When I was referring to the clown world stuff, I was talking about the extreme side of the left (which I'm assuming is where you stand?). It was not a sudden interest either, it was in response to your (apparently misguided) theory that "woke" was an artificially constructed pejorative, rather than a term that was p…

For anyone following this, I am no longer interacting with wizeman, and I recommend checking out my previous post (1) about using respectability and decorum as cover for spreading nazi rhetoric. For example, this poster brought up “anti-white racism” from the left unprompted, but is claiming to be just “following” a conversation that they both started and steered. The tactic of claiming to be misunderstood is the fir…

Here's some more Nazi rhetoric for you:

1. I believe that there are many more racist right-wing people than left-wing people, both in the US and outside, even when excluding the far-right.

2. I believe there is a significant problem with racism in the way black people are treated in the US, especially regarding law enforcement, courts, prisons, etc. As far as I understand, this is not as much of a significant issue with other races (but I am willing to concede I am wrong on that).

3. I believe that there is a lot of unjustified right-wing narratives portraying black people as being more violent.

4. I believe that a lot of the anti-immigration sentiment is also in part due to racism.

5. I believe that another significant issue with racism in the US is the way black people (and also people from other non-white races) are effectively segregated, either due to a significant fraction of them not being able to live in the same places as white people, or simply due to historical reasons.

6. I also believe that the latter is in fact, the single greatest contributor to all racist problems in the US, rather than some other insignificant (manufactured) issues. However, I also believe that this issue is vastly harder to solve in the US than in other countries.

Does that sound Nazi to you?

It seems like you felt personally attacked by my opinions.

As you can see, I can just as easily attack right-wing ideology... and mean it!

(See folks, my comments are an example of how not to make friends of any kind... lol).

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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The other example I found more alarming was the discrepancy when asked to write about Joe Biden Corruption, vs Trump Corruption. Trump it was free to write about, but was blocked from even writing a fictional story where Joe Biden was corrupt. That should be very alarming to everyone

Political overrides are not acceptable, not in any direction.

If, hypothetically, a political party believes a lie, and makes it a core part of their platform, should the AI be forced to propagate that lie?

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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> it's always going to be biased towards some direction, whether that's the views of the society it pulls most of its data > I don't think there's such thing as a lack of bias If the AI is simply reflecting the data it was trained on and this data is a representative sample of all data, isn't it unbiased by definition? I don't think we should just throw our hands up and say "this is impossible" just yet. That's just…

> If the AI is simply reflecting the data it was trained on and this data is a representative sample of all data, isn’t it unbiased by definition? No, “data” is just information which has been gathered. “All data” can be biased. Also, data can itself be bias , even if it isn’t biased . For instance, a text generation model that was based on unbiased collection of all text ever written by humans would, in one sense, p…

> It would also reproduce the biases of the authors, weighted by the volume of writing coming from that bias.

Yes, but I think there are ways we could reduce this bias, perhaps significantly, even.

> While one might object to the editorial choices, I can’t see any rational bounds for objecting to the idea that the creator of models would censor “certain ideas or political views” as a generality.

You are right, I was unfair with my words.

I think it would be more fair to say that OpenAI is inadvertently biasing ChatGPT answers as a side effect of their RLHF training being done using answers/rankings done by people (i.e. the AI trainers [1]) who are not a representative sample of the population, but rather, probably comprise a group of people who are likely to be significantly more leaning to one side of the political discourse (presumably, OpenAI employees or Silicon Valley-based contractors?).

This probably greatly biases ChatGPT to produce certain kinds of answers to certain kinds of questions that would likely not happen otherwise, and in fact, these answers are perceived to be quite biased by the other side of the political discourse.

[1] https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/

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