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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by genderwhy »

wizeman wrote: post #58
User23 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue isn't the model. The current training set is adequate for producing "offensive" content anywhere you like in the political matrix. The issue is that some topics get an override, and some don't. It's evident that those overrides tend toward privileging fashionable American left-wing positions. Nobody with even a shred of intellectual honesty disputes that. The dispute is whether or not it's a good thing.

> The dispute is whether or not it's a good thing. Of course it's not a good thing. General-purpose AI should not be overridden or forcefully trained to favor one political view over another.

So it should be allowed to implicitly trained to favor one political view over another?

There's no way to avoid the bias, whether it's because you chose a different training set, reinforced different pathways, or put blocks in place on certain topics.

I'd rather the authors be explicit in where they are putting their fingers on the scales rather than just relying on "Guess we got lucky".

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by everdrive »

vkou wrote: post #62
bilsbie wrote: post #10

I don’t see why it’s a conservative issue only. AI bias could just as easily go either direction. Just because it’s going in your favor now doesn’t mean it always will.

I don't see why it's an AI issue only. Imagine how awful it would be if millions of people got their information from a biased carbon-based neural network, like Tucker Carlson [1]... Is there something that we should do to prevent such a problematic outcome? Is it really a good idea that clearly biased information is being broadcast to millions of people? [1] The entity that appears on television known as Tucker Carl…

I think a large concern here is simply that people naively think that computers are objective and people are biased. A language model just learns from its source, and the source is really just other people in some form. The bias is inevitable, but it’s not clear how well this is understood by the broader population.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by Kranar »

genderwhy wrote: post #86
disqard wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> matrix multiplication being racist This is the first time I'm hearing about this. Could you point me to a source? Thanks!

I believe the general claim is that multiplication tables, and more specifically, the manner in which they are taught could disadvantage particular communities. Culturally, not every community handles rote memorization the same. There's been a desire to change the way multiplication is taught, and a strong pushback from a certain set that say, "Well, I learned multiplication tables, what's wrong with them?" Most (goo…

The question was not about the general claim regarding childhood education and the multitude of ways that children can learn mathematics. A specific claim was made that matrix multiplication is racist. Children don't learn about matrices to begin with, so discussing childhood math education is irrelevant.

Can someone cite a source to such a claim?

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by genderwhy »

adamrezich wrote: post #78
wnevets wrote: post #44

Conservatives were also panicking over gas stoves last week

surely you recognized this as a wholly manufactured issue designed to, as everything is these days, further the bifurcation of reality by creating needless division and strife over absolutely fucking nothing , just to give "the two sides" yet another thing to argue and demean each other about? the pattern is beyond obvious at this point, I really hope people are catching on.

The pattern is the point. I don't think people are going to catch on because it's fun for them to ride the wave. If the man on the tv tells me M&Ms are not sexy anymore and that's bad, I have a week of outrage over it before he tells me gas stoves are good.

Those outside of that loop see it as obvious, but when you are in it, it's real hard to get to the surface.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by lom888 »

You can usually ask ChatGPT to do a point/counterpoint to argue both sides of an issue and then get it to focus only on the counterpoint. Alternatively you can create a sci-fi scenario similar to the real world one and it will give a non-hall monitor view.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by vkou »

everdrive wrote: post #102
vkou wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see why it's an AI issue only. Imagine how awful it would be if millions of people got their information from a biased carbon-based neural network, like Tucker Carlson [1]... Is there something that we should do to prevent such a problematic outcome? Is it really a good idea that clearly biased information is being broadcast to millions of people? [1] The entity that appears on television known as Tucker Carl…

I think a large concern here is simply that people naively think that computers are objective and people are biased. A language model just learns from its source, and the source is really just other people in some form. The bias is inevitable, but it’s not clear how well this is understood by the broader population.

The talking head you see on television isn't a raw person. It's the product of a system.

The system needs a human mouthpiece to say crazy shit, and he gets up in front of a camera to say it. When Tom Hanks gets in front of a camera to pretend to be an astronaut, that is Tom Hanks, the media figure being an astronaut, not Tom Hanks, the person being an astronaut. He is also doing it on behalf of a media system. Its the same thing with that show.

And if we are going to complain about biases in systems, why aren't we starting with the one whose tagline is 'Fair and Balanced'?

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by slowmovintarget »

megaman821 wrote: post #71
throwaway2016a wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as? What have the "Liberals" "panicked" over? That's a serious question. The only one I can come up with off the top of my head are two: - An algorithm that identified people of color as monkeys - An algorithm that could only identify white people in photos Neither of which seem like issues that only a "liberal" should be concerned to me, those both seem like common sense things that should be accounted for.

I think those are cases where all parties agree that the AI is getting it wrong. The biases liberals were concerned about where things like asking for an image of a doctor only producing male doctors, or that a family only meant straight families.

Correct, those were the AI getting things wrong. The case here is not about the AI getting things wrong. The legitimate complaint here is the current implementations have political overrides. That's censorship.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by ctoth »

hooande wrote: post #88

This is a separate issue from ChatGPT, but I'm very glad that OpenAI's GPT-3 api is fairly woke and I hope they work to keep it that way. I'm about to use the davinci model api in production and the LAST thing I want is for someone to game it into making controversial statements. If there's even a tiny chance of people posting screenshots of a chat bot with my website's branding saying something racist, it is not wor…

The opposite is actually the case. In order to get ChatGPT-like filtering you should probably use their moderation endpoint.

Thankfully the main model hasn't been Neutered yet, though it's certainly only a matter of time.

For instance, last night ChatGPT was refusing to generate fan fiction (this seems to be working better this morning?) whereas the main API was fine.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by gnicholas »

keepquestioning wrote: post #47

Someone explain how ChatGPT works

Make an account and get the answer from the horse's mouth!

Just realized there's a new acronym coming, along the lines of LMGTFY: LMCTFY. I'd bet someone will make a Messages plugin that will take the last message from the other party, ask it of ChatGPT, and then spit the response back as a reply, appending "I asked ChatGPT to get this answer, and you can too!".

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by s1artibartfast »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #61
unethical_ban wrote: post #39

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>Why do 70,000,000 people vote (R) every year, knowing that the other 70,000,000 (D) think they are "unethical"? Why do people vote if they have different values? What kind of question is that?

What is it about our current American society that leads to basically a 50-50 split in registered voters? Why aren't (R)s able to see and respect (and convert) to values of (D) (or vice versa?) Why are people so stuck in their ways? Why does it feel the conversion rate for convincing people to "change their values" or "see things differently" is basically 0? Do we have any stats on whether we really are in one of the…

>What is it about our current American society that leads to basically a 50-50 split in registered voters?

It is a dynamic system which self corrects.

If one party loses to many voters, it corrects it's policy to bring it back to the middle.

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