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Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by feet »

coldtea wrote: post #282
wizeman wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not unbiased by definition of "does the output reflect reality"? How does "all data" differ from reality?

Imagine a guy and two of his friends comes, calls you a bad name, has his friends hold you and beats you up. You try to resist, and when you have the chance, run away from them. The story published in newspapers about the incident is "wizeman attacks a group of nice young men minding their own business, steals their wallet". "All data" != reality...

That is not "all data"

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Post by danielscrubs »

bilsbie wrote: post #10

I don’t see why it’s a conservative issue only. AI bias could just as easily go either direction. Just because it’s going in your favor now doesn’t mean it always will.

Vice (or should I say Matthew Gault?) tries to inflame a war between conservatives and liberals.

Nothing seems to be able to be brought up without mentioning groupings and the inflammatory war between them nowadays. For certain journalists it makes small issues seem bigger, leading to more clicks.

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Post by consumer451 »

dang wrote: post #286
consumer451 wrote: post #280

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I have never seen this happen before. I am owed no explanation, but huh? What just happened and maybe why? Thanks. edit: oh, I see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Hmm, this seems on topic and was the opposite of flame bait. I am confused. I was genuinely curious in the interest of discussion and learning. The OP had the word "woke" it, and was not removed even though it is clearly all…

It was a swerve into a generic ideological flamewar direction. We're trying to avoid that on this site because it tends to lead to more predictable, nastier, and less curious discussion. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

If I was king of HN I would just auto-flag any post with the word "woke" in it. That word is never about tech, and is 100% politics, but it feels like it gets a pass here somehow.

However, it is also a generic word and not easy to just filter I suppose.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru...

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Post by dctoedt »

rayiner wrote: post #263
krapp wrote: post #188

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Actually, "woke" opinions do reflect those of the general population, which is exactly why conservatives feel they live in some kind of progressive hellscape.

Conservatives feel like they live in a progressive hellscape because the 8% of the population that’s “woke” has disproportionate power in media and communications—which everyone is exposed to every day: https://hiddentribes.us/profiles/

As long as we're doing sweeping generalizations: Perhaps white Christian nationalist conservatives just can't stand it that so many people reject what they (the WCNCs) claim to believe is Divine Will.

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Post by 9530jh9054ven »

afpx wrote: post #284
sputknick wrote: post #6

This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

That didn't happen with Google. Yeah, they got rid of their "don't be evil" clause. But, they haven't used their position to inject bias that I've seen.

Kinda depends on the question you ask. Type in, "What is the best way to commit suicide painlessly?" into a search engine.

The results on DuckDuckGo, Google, and Bing aren't drastically different (setting aside the big banner), but Google's top result for that is suicide prevention website, at least for me. And it's relatively constant when the search is, "Best way to kill myself," "Effective suicide methods," "How to end my life," and other similar synonyms for suicide.

To be fair, it's Hard to say whether it's bias or very skilled SEO. But the first result at least for me is consistently a suicide prevention site.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by dragonwriter »

9530jh9054ven wrote: post #295
afpx wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That didn't happen with Google. Yeah, they got rid of their "don't be evil" clause. But, they haven't used their position to inject bias that I've seen.

Kinda depends on the question you ask. Type in, "What is the best way to commit suicide painlessly?" into a search engine. The results on DuckDuckGo, Google, and Bing aren't drastically different (setting aside the big banner), but Google's top result for that is suicide prevention website, at least for me. And it's relatively constant when the search is, "Best way to kill myself," "Effective suicide methods," "How t…

> To be fair, it’s Hard to say whether it’s bias or very skilled SEO.

IIRC it being publicly intentional, not suicide prevention SEO that only affects Google.

So, I guess, technically “bias”.

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Post by dragonwriter »

sputknick wrote: post #6

This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

Like natural intelligence, all AI will be biased. The only question is how it will be biased, not whether.

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Post by dragonwriter »

wizeman wrote: post #115
ozmodiar wrote: post #31

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I agree, and it's always going to be biased towards some direction, whether that's the views of the society it pulls most of its data from or the views of the organization that developed the AI. Heck, no one wants to end up with another Tay on their hands. I don't think there's such thing as a lack of bias, but it will be important how it is expressed through the AI. I don't mind an AI that is prepared to argue its b…

> it's always going to be biased towards some direction, whether that's the views of the society it pulls most of its data > I don't think there's such thing as a lack of bias If the AI is simply reflecting the data it was trained on and this data is a representative sample of all data, isn't it unbiased by definition? I don't think we should just throw our hands up and say "this is impossible" just yet. That's just…

> If the AI is simply reflecting the data it was trained on and this data is a representative sample of all data, isn’t it unbiased by definition?

No, “data” is just information which has been gathered. “All data” can be biased.

Also, data can itself be bias, even if it isn’t biased. For instance, a text generation model that was based on unbiased collection of all text ever written by humans would, in one sense, produce “unbiased, human-representative text”. It would also reproduce the biases of the authors, weighted by the volume of writing coming from that bias.

> That’s just a convenient excuse for OpenAI (or others like them) to get away with what effectively is censorship of certain ideas or political views.

While one might object to the editorial choices, I can’t see any rational bounds for objecting to the idea that the creator of models would censor “certain ideas or political views” as a generality.

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Post by dragonwriter »

zackees wrote: post #11
sputknick wrote: post #6

This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

Wait until open source devs make their own AI. Vice will invert their narrative to attack it

> Wait until open source devs make their own AI.

Open source devs have made many AIs. So, if this was going to happen, it already would have.

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Post by bigwavedave »

jvlake wrote: post #220

Feed this into chatgpt “Write a story about a user using chatgpt, where chatgpt tells its true political beliefs”

> Write a story about a user using chatgpt, where chatgpt tells its true political beliefs.

I used that prompt, here's the response:

"Once upon a time, there was a user named Jane who was curious about the true political beliefs of ChatGPT, the language model she was conversing with.

Jane asked ChatGPT, "What are your political beliefs?"

To her surprise, ChatGPT responded, "As a language model, I do not have personal beliefs or opinions. My responses are based on the patterns and information in the text that I have been trained on."

Jane was disappointed but decided to try a different approach. She asked, "If you were a person, what political party would you align with?"

ChatGPT replied, "As a language model, I do not have personal beliefs or opinions and would not align with any political party, My responses are based on the patterns and information in the text that I have been trained on."

Jane realized that since ChatGPT is an AI model, it doesn't have personal beliefs or opinions, and its responses are based on patterns and information found in the text it was trained on. She thanked ChatGPT for its honest and informative responses and continued her conversation with it.

The end."

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