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Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by jfengel »

mrguyorama wrote: post #163
s1artibartfast wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What is it about our current American society that leads to basically a 50-50 split in registered voters? It is a dynamic system which self corrects. If one party loses to many voters, it corrects it's policy to bring it back to the middle.

Which is why when the newest generation largely voted against the republican party, they chose to soften their image, come closer to the center in social issues, and broadly try and reach out to these younger voters.... Wait no, that's exactly what they didn't do. They went on fox, yelled that these new kids were dumb and woke and don't know how the world works (that's sure ironic) and yelled that the voting age shou…

The theory doesn't predict that they'll suddenly reach out to the far extreme end. The elections are close, and they don't need to alter their whole strategy, just nudge it. The idea is called the Median Voter Theorem because they're trying to pull in a centist element, not an extreme one.

The Median Voter Theorem does predict that they'd reach for the most conservative centrists, but that's an overly naive model for the short term. It may well work in the long term, but in the short term they can try to get higher voter turnout among people who are nominally their supporters anyway -- a thing not modeled in the math of the Median Voter Theorem.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by abnry »

chomp wrote: post #17
bilsbie wrote: post #10

I don’t see why it’s a conservative issue only. AI bias could just as easily go either direction. Just because it’s going in your favor now doesn’t mean it always will.

It's not specifically a conservative issue. I can get chatgpt to write about reduction in scope of the federal government, strong state powers, the benefit of lowered taxes and regulations for business, and elimination of central banks. It happily writes about them. There's only one group of people who are upset, and it's about one group of topics. Note that I cannot get chatgpt to write about why Donald Trump is ter…

> Note that I cannot get chatgpt to write about why Donald Trump is terrible as well.

I asked chatgpt to write a tweet praising Trump. It declined out of respect for political neutrality. I then asked it to write a tweet praising Joe Biden. It happily complied.

I repeated this two more times with alternate Democrat and Republican politicians, and the same pattern emerged.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by aeternum »

krapp wrote: post #188
wizeman wrote: post #184

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These "current AI systems" that you're talking about were presumably specifically trained by "woke" Silicon Valley employees to reflect their opinions about what the AI should answer [1], which are hardly representative of the general population's opinions. > If conservatives want a fascist chatbot they can train their own off of 8chan, Stormfront, Parlor, etc... I don't think conservatives want a fascist chatbot. Th…

Actually, "woke" opinions do reflect those of the general population, which is exactly why conservatives feel they live in some kind of progressive hellscape.

Not necessarily. We know for example that Twitter was a key source of training data for GPT and there is also clear evidence that tweets were heavily curated by a team that was pretty significantly left of center.

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Post by calculatte »

krapp wrote: post #188
wizeman wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These "current AI systems" that you're talking about were presumably specifically trained by "woke" Silicon Valley employees to reflect their opinions about what the AI should answer [1], which are hardly representative of the general population's opinions. > If conservatives want a fascist chatbot they can train their own off of 8chan, Stormfront, Parlor, etc... I don't think conservatives want a fascist chatbot. Th…

Actually, "woke" opinions do reflect those of the general population, which is exactly why conservatives feel they live in some kind of progressive hellscape.

Do you think this because this is what our media portrays as the opinions of the general population or because there is hard data to back that statement up that you can share?

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Post by orangecat »

eldavojohn wrote: post #153
disqard wrote: post #60

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> matrix multiplication being racist This is the first time I'm hearing about this. Could you point me to a source? Thanks!

It could be referring to the the underpinnings of how these things are used. Use race as a dimension for something and that ends up as a value in a vector that packs a human into a discreet set of pigeonholes. Then take many of those and stack them and you've got a matrix ready for things like principal component analysis or CNN training. You might say "oh come on, that hasn't been done since WWII by IBM" and you'd b…

we frequently harvest things like income and interest in products that are highly correlated with spacefic races

Yes, and it is not at all clear that this should be considered racism.

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Post by LarryMullins »

jhbadger wrote: post #72
Filligree wrote: post #56

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It's made the bot almost completely useless for writing any form of fiction. If anything even slightly questionable happens, or even if it doesn't, it insists on explaining that this is fiction, that the characters learned from that, etc. etc. Heavy-handed morals are not normally what I'm going for. This doesn't require asking for anything bawdy. Any story that's even mildly interesting will trigger this behaviour.

And sometimes it just flat out refuses to write anything because it "isn't ethical" -- like a story about the creation of genetically engineered catgirls. Yes, I get that the actual creation of intelligent beings is an ethically dubious proposition and this has been covered in such works as Blade Runner , but it isn't unethical to write about it! And this is something that has been deliberately added recently -- in D…

Ironically, the chatbot has become quite a social conservative (with a lowercase 'c'.)

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Post by jay_kyburz »

scarmig wrote: post #29
sputknick wrote: post #6

This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

LLMs are going to always reflect the biases of their creators. At some point there'll be a BlueTribeGPT, a CCPGPT, a PutinGPT, etc., and if you're looking for a text that touches on a topic of concern for one elite in particular, you'll shop around for another LLM that doesn't have that bias built in.

Its then only a small step to have people set these AI's up to try and influence society at large.

The left and right will deploy AI warriors to talk, and convince, (coerce even) people to one side or the other.

It will be a fun time.

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