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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by ant6n »

boplicity wrote: post #24
Mikeb85 wrote: post #10

Strange that Apple still isn't offering OLED screens when most other laptop makers are this year...

Apple laptops unfortunately give me severe eye strain and headaches; I don't know why. I'm on a laptop with a beautiful OLED screen now, and my eyes are much, much happier. I would switch back to Apple if they offered OLED. I doubt they will, though. They're keen on mini-led, which is inferior in my opinion.

It doesn’t help that they are shiny mirrors that force your concentration to keep focussed on the content on screen and not yourself or the stuff behind you. I wish they had a properly matte option. Back when I still used an mbp 12h a day I had these seasons of eye strain that I mostly worked-around by setting the screen black and white.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by dagmx »

sudosysgen wrote: post #731
dagmx wrote: post #697

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Afaik the Intel Integrated GPUs either have a hard limit on the addressable RAM or are capped to half the available RAM. I don’t know of any AMD G series equipped laptops with that much memory , but admittedly I haven’t looked closely at the options. Then there’s the issue of memory sharing of actual data resources. Albeit, this is down to Software, but more software for Mac can assume shared memory to take advantage…

The AMD laptops don't need to be in the G series to have an iGPU - they all do. The G series only exists for desktops. > Albeit, this is down to Software, but more software for Mac can assume shared memory to take advantage of it, versus other brands because iGPUs have historically been very limited. AFAIK there is no such software that only supports Macs. You can query these features at runtime, and it's easier to d…

Ah yeah I always get tripped up by AMDs offerings.

I didn’t say the software needed to only support Mac, but if they have a metal backend (as many things have multiple backends) they know they can spend the time to get a bigger ROI due to the number of shared memory macs as a percentage of all macs.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by fifteenforty »

judge2020 wrote: post #730
cantSpellSober wrote: post #435

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USB4 supports DP 1.4a tunneling and DP 2.0 in DP "alternate mode". Agree with you, but I fear dedicated DP ports are dying.

I guess my main point is that, if we're going to move to displayport over USB-C, we (A) need Apple to put out official $100 cables, since I tried some cheap Amazon cables that didn't work and had to purchase some $60 moshi cables that I knew would work[0], and (B) they need a minimum of 5 ports since being limited to 1 peripheral port+3 monitors (2 over DP, one HDMI) on the mini is terrible. I know they want your mou…

I've had very good luck with the CableMatters USB-C to DisplayPort cables! I've used a couple of them continuously for the last 3 years.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by sgt101 »

chamwislothe2nd wrote: post #218
eropple wrote: post #136

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They're not even that expensive as tools go, either. My Festool Domino was $1200. It makes one particular hole in a piece of wood. It's very, very good at it--but it doesn't replace my tablesaw ($600) or my bandsaw ($700) or my tracksaw ($400) or my drill/driver ($300) or my jointer ($600) or my planer ($900) or my drill press ($500) or or or--and I did not buy particular spendy variants of any of those, except the D…

Those tools will last forever so that money makes sense. Apples engages in planned obsolescence so the cost isnt the same. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batterygate

Those tools will last forever, if you don't use them.

But if you do they will wear out.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by ccouzens »

comboy wrote: post #367
judge2020 wrote: post #137

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The lack of dedicated DisplayPort ports is fairly disappointing to me since their implementation is just "native DisplayPort output over USB‑C" and it doesn't support MST, so you can only do one displayport signal per port, even with a thunderbolt 4 hub with some bidirectional USB-C Displayport cables.

Check out DisplayLink. I'm using multiple monitors with M1 macbook air which officially only supports single external display. Works great so far. I agree with your point though.

That wouldn't work with my desk and screen setup that uses MST. I use devices that do support MST but not displaylink like my Steam deck, or out the box Linux installs.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by sbierwagen »

amatecha wrote: post #646
michpoch wrote: post #508

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These are desktop cards. Apple is comparing laptops to laptops.

They are not. The person I responded to also quoted the text I will quote from Apple's page: > Testing was conducted by Apple in November and December 2022 using preproduction 16-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M2 Max, 12-core CPU, 38-core GPU, 96GB of RAM, and 8TB SSD, as well as a production Intel Core i9-based PC system with NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000 graphics with 24GB GDDR6 and the latest version of Windows 11 P…

>a production Intel Core i9-based PC system with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti graphics

To be clear, NVIDIA (and Intel) use identical names for their desktop parts and for their laptop versions. There is the 3080 Ti (GA102-225-A1) which has 10240 shaders clocked at 1365 mhz and a 350 watt TDP, and the 3080 Ti (GA103) for laptops which has 7424 shaders clocked at (up to) 1230 mhz and a (up to) 150 watt TDP. The former does about 305 fps in userbench and the latter does 193 fps. (Until it thermal throttles) https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Nvidia-RTX-3080-Ti/Rating/4115 https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/1775790/NVIDIA-GeFor... There is an equivalent bait and switch for the Intel i9 desktop vs mobile.

It's unfortunate that Apple isn't making themselves 100% entirely clear on this, but to be fair, neither is the competition.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by robryan »

emacdona wrote: post #744
comboy wrote: post #367

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Check out DisplayLink. I'm using multiple monitors with M1 macbook air which officially only supports single external display. Works great so far. I agree with your point though.

DisplayLink is a daily source of frustration for me. If I disconnect my DisplayLink hub, and then plug it back in... I have to open and close my 13" M1 MacBook Pro a few times; restart the DisplayLink software; and sometimes reboot my computer before it will work again. For some reason, Zoom will just _hang_ after all of this. I just keep repeating the above until Zoom works again. This is my employer provided MacBoo…

Interesting as for me it mostly just works, I wonder if has to do with the dock as much as the software.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

prewett wrote: post #727
dbg31415 wrote: post #701

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The M2 Air has MagSafe. (= Killing MagSafe has to be the singled DUMBEST product decision anyone ever made. I'm so glad they finally brought it back.

I thought killing MagSafe was pretty dumb, too, but every time I tripped over the USB-C power cable on my 2018 MBP it came right out, no problem. Plus it's really nice to be able to move the power cable to whichever side the outlet is close to. When I upgrade, I think I'd choose to continue using USB-C power if possible. I'll actually miss the Touch Bar. It's an interesting idea that seems useful, but isn't, except i…

The MacBook Air at least still supports USB-C power, which is useful for USB-C monitors that also supply power. But I still think you need to plug it in on the right side to avoid overheating the laptop (the MBA at least doesn't have a fan, so I can't tell if this is still true or not).

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Post by Sebb767 »

judge2020 wrote: post #258
myself248 wrote: post #83

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Shame I can't buy an M2 Max on an ATX mobo.

I imagine a lot of the performance of the M1 and thereafter is a direct result of moving the memory closer to the die. The power efficiency, sure, that's all engineering, but super close and fast memory right next to the CPU is only one step away from AMD's 3D v-cache that has (had) the 5800X3D beating out newer 7000 series AMD chips.

ATX is just a formfactor, there's nothing preventing apple from releasing an ATX board with soldered-on memory - this is actually not even that unusual in the µATX formfactor.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by [deleted] »

maxim_b wrote: post #567
cloudengineer94 wrote: post #214

The M1 and M1 Pro chips are absolutely insane. Been using them ever since day 1 and for me there is no way to go back to using Arch Linux natively unless Qualcomm or someone else starts making some good ARM chips.

You embraced OS X now, or running Arch on a VM?

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