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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by CharlesW »

fruit2020 wrote: post #459
itslennysfault wrote: post #332

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I feel like people have ALWAYS had problems when upgrading MacOS (or OSX). However, those problems aren't with the OS itself usually, but 3rd party software that lags. For that reason I always intentionally lag 1 major version behind. I'll upgrade to Ventura whenever the next version is released. Been doing this forever and can't recommend it highly enough.

Just look at the Ventura settings window dude. How are they so sloppy that it cannot even scale properly, not commenting here about how ugly the experience is. At least make it scale a bit. Oh, and I did not say that it even has a lag when it loads, on a fresh login with no apps.

IMHO Ventura's rethink is a huge improvement — search is now actually useful, 3rd-party extensibility is much better, etc. (It does scale vertically, BTW. The old one did not.)

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by Invictus0 »

jslql wrote: post #180
Invictus0 wrote: post #169

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Really? There's 4 processors and 2 generations, it's not that hard. Compare to intel: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/details/pro...

With Intel higher = better. What’s better, ultra or pro?

The very first processor in the list is the i7-1365UE, which is a lower number than processors from 10 years ago.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by John23832 »

eropple wrote: post #136
John23832 wrote: post #105

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More anectdata. 16" M1 MBP user here (first batch). No problems with the screen. Travels with me literally everywhere I can take my backpack. No case. Are you using your laptop as a frisbee? As far as Apple tax, you pay for quality tools. In life you get what you pay for.

They're not even that expensive as tools go, either. My Festool Domino was $1200. It makes one particular hole in a piece of wood. It's very, very good at it--but it doesn't replace my tablesaw ($600) or my bandsaw ($700) or my tracksaw ($400) or my drill/driver ($300) or my jointer ($600) or my planer ($900) or my drill press ($500) or or or--and I did not buy particular spendy variants of any of those, except the D…

Lol the funny thing is, I was going to bring up all the hardware tools in my garage as examples, but I figured most people here wouldn't care/get it.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by mattwad »

itslennysfault wrote: post #332
optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

I feel like people have ALWAYS had problems when upgrading MacOS (or OSX). However, those problems aren't with the OS itself usually, but 3rd party software that lags. For that reason I always intentionally lag 1 major version behind. I'll upgrade to Ventura whenever the next version is released. Been doing this forever and can't recommend it highly enough.

They could provide a package manager, rather than expecting the Homebrew community to fix it for them. My issues are almost always related to command line tools

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by breck »

masklinn wrote: post #215
breck wrote: post #205

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No. At least not on this one: MacBook Pro (13-inch, M1, 2020)

As far as I can see the laptops in TFA are 14 and 16”. The 13” remains a heavier Air, with two ports on the same side and no magsafe: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/

Ah got it! Yes mine is a 13". Maybe I'll go 14".

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by wpm »

newsclues wrote: post #422
djtriptych wrote: post #395

My new setup as of November is an M2 Air (16GB /1 TB) and an base model M1 Studio. I really couldn't be happier. I run a small WFH / Music Production / Photography studio in my basement and I really wanted an always-on always connected computer, for which the Studio has been perfect. The M2 Air is pretty close to a perfect laptop. My complaints (low audio volume, slighty cramped screen) are absolutely dwarfed by the…

Your laptop complaints are addressed by the MBP models, which aren't much heavier if that is your primary objection.

The 14" M2 Pro is 30% heavier than the M2 Air and 20% thicker. I don't really classify that as "not much".

I have a 14" M1 Pro from work and a personal M2 Air and it's always surprising how much heavier the M1 Pro feels from my Air.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by eropple »

John23832 wrote: post #473
eropple wrote: post #136

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They're not even that expensive as tools go, either. My Festool Domino was $1200. It makes one particular hole in a piece of wood. It's very, very good at it--but it doesn't replace my tablesaw ($600) or my bandsaw ($700) or my tracksaw ($400) or my drill/driver ($300) or my jointer ($600) or my planer ($900) or my drill press ($500) or or or--and I did not buy particular spendy variants of any of those, except the D…

Lol the funny thing is, I was going to bring up all the hardware tools in my garage as examples, but I figured most people here wouldn't care/get it.

Computer-toucher-to-woodworker pipeline is real.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by nsenifty »

KMnO4 wrote: post #365
itslennysfault wrote: post #332

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I feel like people have ALWAYS had problems when upgrading MacOS (or OSX). However, those problems aren't with the OS itself usually, but 3rd party software that lags. For that reason I always intentionally lag 1 major version behind. I'll upgrade to Ventura whenever the next version is released. Been doing this forever and can't recommend it highly enough.

The last version that was 100% forward progress for me was Snow Leopard, which was essentially the performance/bug fix revision of Leopard. The Windows 7 from Vista equivalent. Every update since then has felt slow, or introduced bugs. Perhaps it was because Snow Leopard came on a physical disk, so they couldn't "just ship it".

I remember feeling like how GP (with M1 Pro) feels when I upgraded my 2007 Intel MBP with Snow Leopard and and SSD. Everything was snappy and instantaneous until the wave of Electron apps and Lion and forced convergence with iOS design...

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by Uehreka »

sod wrote: post #225
nicoburns wrote: post #100

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It's no secret that Apple's M2 series processors are a pretty minor improvement over the M1 series. Expect much bigger improvements in the M3 series which will likely be using TSMC's 3nm process (and then probably only minor improvements again for the M4 series). It seems that Apple's ridiculously impressive consistent year-on-year gains up the M1 were in large part possible because they were behind the state of the…

Yes, the year over year improvements were 90% just the tsmc node changes. But the ridiculous (and IMO amazing) performance per watt is a mix of iOS/macOS and their chip design. Those efficiency cores are unmatched, paired with the right scheduling from the OS. The M2 is underwhelming as its the same 5nm as the M1 was. But rumors say the M2 pro and max are on the 3nm node. And it took so long for the release, as 3nm w…

In the beginning I thought the “performance per watt” thing was just folks who want Apple to be better clinging to a stat that made it look like that was the case. But in late 2021 I was long overdue for an upgrade, so I got an M1 Max MacBook Pro and holy hell, now I get it.

The battery lasts stupid long. Like, the fact that I can bring this thing on a plane or train without worrying if they’ll have working electric sockets is huge. The fact I can stash this thing under a desk with no power available and have it run graphics-intensive projections for a 3-hour theatre show is huge. The fact that I can achieve all that with zero throttling (I turned on High Energy use and never turned it off) is huge. The fact that I can achieve all of that with basically no fan noise is nonsensical.

Like, compared to the 2020 Razer Blade (RTX 2070 Max-Q) I use for work, it’s like a completely different class of device. My Razer Blade spins up like a jet engine under load, requires a cable if I’m going to do anything intense for an hour, underclocks from ~4.4GHz to ~1.5-2.5GHz when on battery (seemingly no way to disable this), and really only beats my MacBook for tasks that specifically require an Nvidia GPU.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by lwhi »

TheKnack wrote: post #286
optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

For both iOS and Macos (and Windows for that matter) it's a good idea to backup everything and reinstall the OS from scratch for each major version. Yes it's a headache but it will prevent 10x more headaches that result from upgrading from a previous major version. Many of the problems people have with Apple OS upgrades are issues that happen during the process of converting configurations from one version to the nex…

This used to be the standard advice for MS Windows.

Funny to think that it's now Apple who have this problem.

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