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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by xdavidliu »

maxfurman wrote: post #33
smoldesu wrote: post #15

Does anyone know "the fastest Intel-based MacBook Pro" means? In my mind, I've always pictured them using the 16" i9 model that throttled before it could hit the boost clock, let alone sustain it.

My guess would also be the 2019 16" Pro, the last one released before the M1 wave. That happens to be the one I have now, I'm still pretty happy with it! Great battery life, doesn't get lava hot unless I have a bunch of plugins going in Ableton or something else demanding.

I had that machine for about 6 months and found the swapping between nvidia and integrated graphics to cause such unbearable graphical glitches [1] (well from my self-diagnosed OCD-influenced perspective, anyway), that I sold it on Craigslist for a $500 loss immediately.

[1] https://apple.stackexchange.com/q/411232/79532

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by syspec »

thefz wrote: post #191
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Do the M* support external displays with are fresh rate greater than 60Hz?

Yes, I have a 4K 144hz gigabyte monitor that runs perfectly with it.

You must get a high quality USB-C cable though. I got Anker brand cable. Previous cable I had lying around the house would only give me 60hz

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by Rebelgecko »

rsynnott wrote: post #188
jchw wrote: post #34

It's worrying that they are shying away from specifying generational improvements or at least comparing to it's competitors. The "fastest Intel MacBook" is not really the competitor for an M2 MacBook Pro, it's a predecessor. But I'd rather hear about generational improvements from M1, especially because both Intel and AMD seem to be making great strides in the low power space lately.

They do give some numbers vs M1s, but most people actually considering buying this will be coming from the Intel ones (no-one replaces their laptop every year) so it makes sense to labour those in the marketing material.

Traditionally Apple's marketing compared against the previous generation, not multiple generations old hardware.

It seems tacky to me because the M2's competition isn't really 2019 Intel MBPs- it's laptops using modern Intel/AMD CPUs (the M2 may still be better than those, but if that's the case those are the benchmarks they should be giving us)

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by 0xCMP »

optymizer wrote: post #153
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

The issue talking to Displays was way worse with Intel Macs than it is today. Unfortunately there are definitely software issues with it. I think there was a thread on Twitter about Ashai Linux and how they figured out how to make something related more reliable than macOS by simply doing it correctly.

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Post by adam_arthur »

gonehome wrote: post #40
mpeg wrote: post #16

New Mac mini with the M2 Pro maxes out at 32GB memory, that's quite disappointing compared to the Macbook Pro's 96GB. On the other hand, my M2 Macbook Air is one of the best purchases I've made in a long time, great fanless laptop.

The M2 MBA is probably closest to my perfect laptop. Thin, no moving parts (no fan), very fast, 24GB RAM, super long battery life. I love it.

Agreed on form factor, but screen is quite a bit worse quality wise than the Pro.

Lower refresh rate, lower density backlighting etc. Would like the Air form factor with the premium screen

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by syspec »

eastbound wrote: post #109
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

> It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. Sure, but developing with Java up-to-16 is much slower with M1/M2 due to ports not being available, and Rosetta having to emulate. Datapoint: We develop plugins for Confluence and it’s about 1 minute to load each page. I don’t think developing Java 11 is a corner case of using a Mac.

Hmm, works great here. I use ARM Java

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Post by photonbeam »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #222
throwntoday wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As soon as Asahi gets proper GPU support I'm installing linux and relegating macOS to a tiny partition for managing my iPhone.

I’m surprised there are still people out there using their Mac to manage their iPhone.

Is there a way on Linux to backup the photos to the computer without using a cloud service?

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by david_allison »

hajmo97 wrote: post #129

Does someone of you use the whole potential that this kind of chip offers ? What do you use it for ?

Specced out M1 (except storage):

* 32GB RAM would not have been sufficient, glad I went for 64.

* CPU is exceptional, but significant gains would be seen with more power (or code/process optimisation): unit tests (Robolectric) still break the 'flow' threshold (1s). Xcode compiles + full test suite runs break the 'attention' threshold (10s).

* GPU is occasionally useful, but I don't do much ML/video work

Usage:

* I have enough RAM to keep 3 IDEs open + various electron apps + Office Suite + Windows/Ubuntu VM + 2/3 phone emulators + up to a few hundred Chrome Tabs. Fans are silent and laptop is cold.

* Fans spin heavily when running a full unit test suite (JVM/Android)

* Fans spin heavily when gaming (via Parallels)

* Fans spin slightly when running Stable Diffusion

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