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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by geophile »

shusaku wrote: post #265
superkuh wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things may be great on the high end of Apple's M1/M2 laptops given they actually have enough ram for simple tasks. But those are also insanely expensive. At the low end Apple is actively ripping off users providing computers which can't even edit photos. My father, a long time apple user, decided to get an Apple M1 to replace his old Apple macbook. He bought the M1 8GB model (without consulting me). Turns out that th…

Surely such an issue would have been solved with the invention of virtual memory in… the 50s?

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Post by Kirby64 »

Filligree wrote: post #220
cantSpellSober wrote: post #204

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Magsafe v3 supports PD 3.1, and the USB-C ports do not; this is not true

Perhaps, but it's charging at the same rate regardless.

Likely not, assuming they keep the same design for M1 Pros.

On the 16" M1 Pros, you could do magsafe charging at 140W (using higher wattage negotiated USB PD), however the USB-C ports were limited to 100W (96W?) and did not offer the full 140W charging using USB-C.

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Post by thatfrenchguy »

superkuh wrote: post #231
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Things may be great on the high end of Apple's M1/M2 laptops given they actually have enough ram for simple tasks. But those are also insanely expensive. At the low end Apple is actively ripping off users providing computers which can't even edit photos. My father, a long time apple user, decided to get an Apple M1 to replace his old Apple macbook. He bought the M1 8GB model (without consulting me). Turns out that th…

> Apple M1 8GB computers, stuffing the cache with their rosetta translation and lack of native software

This is not how this works

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by rc_mob »

Ditiris wrote: post #36
jaimehrubiks wrote: post #5

No graphs and all comparison is with Intel's Macs, not with M1s.

There are several comparisons scattered throughout the announcement: - Rendering titles and animations in Motion is up to 80 percent faster1 than the fastest Intel-based MacBook Pro and up to 20 percent faster5 than the previous generation. - Compiling in Xcode is up to 2.5x faster^1 than the fastest Intel-based MacBook Pro and nearly 25 percent faster^5 than the previous generation. - Image processing in Adobe Photo…

M1 is super fast already. This is crazy

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Post by ja27 »

kube-system wrote: post #156
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

I’ve never had an issue with a 20w Anker Nano charging my non-pro M1. Feels like the future charging my laptop with an adapter the size of an iPhone charger.

Yeah my 16" M1 Pro draws 10-12w a lot of the time even with Slack, browser, Docker, and more running.

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Post by thatfrenchguy »

mandmandam wrote: post #256
superkuh wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things may be great on the high end of Apple's M1/M2 laptops given they actually have enough ram for simple tasks. But those are also insanely expensive. At the low end Apple is actively ripping off users providing computers which can't even edit photos. My father, a long time apple user, decided to get an Apple M1 to replace his old Apple macbook. He bought the M1 8GB model (without consulting me). Turns out that th…

... I think your dad got a funky laptop. I've been on an 8GB M1 for two years, running Adobe CC the entire time. I've edited absolutely massive photos - Gigabyte TIFFs, batch processing, etc - and never had any crashes. In fact I've done the above while playing HD video from YouTube with 40 tabs open and not experienced so much as a hiccup.

Or they’re using a pirated version of Creative Cloud from before 2020?

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Post by astrojams »

superkuh wrote: post #231
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Things may be great on the high end of Apple's M1/M2 laptops given they actually have enough ram for simple tasks. But those are also insanely expensive. At the low end Apple is actively ripping off users providing computers which can't even edit photos. My father, a long time apple user, decided to get an Apple M1 to replace his old Apple macbook. He bought the M1 8GB model (without consulting me). Turns out that th…

I believe that the M1 architecture is such that you don't actually need as much RAM as an older model computer. It is a system on a chip so moving data between RAM and storage is so fast that it can swap between the two without much performance degradation.

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Post by eertami »

dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

>It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open

I can say the exact same thing for my Linux XPS, in fairness. My M1 battery will last longer, for sure, but both will last a whole work day. But because the M1 can't run Linux to a good standard, it's mostly just used to test/debug OSX related issues.

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Post by s3p »

nicoburns wrote: post #100
jchw wrote: post #34

It's worrying that they are shying away from specifying generational improvements or at least comparing to it's competitors. The "fastest Intel MacBook" is not really the competitor for an M2 MacBook Pro, it's a predecessor. But I'd rather hear about generational improvements from M1, especially because both Intel and AMD seem to be making great strides in the low power space lately.

It's no secret that Apple's M2 series processors are a pretty minor improvement over the M1 series. Expect much bigger improvements in the M3 series which will likely be using TSMC's 3nm process (and then probably only minor improvements again for the M4 series). It seems that Apple's ridiculously impressive consistent year-on-year gains up the M1 were in large part possible because they were behind the state of the…

Apple was never competing in the same space as Intel and AMD. From the beginning, Apple made ARM-based RISC chips. Intel and AMD used their own x86-64 architecture. Apple's was great for iPhones because of power efficiency. They were able to improve their chip designs so much that they smoked the competition away with the release of their first fusion chip (iPhone 7 I believe) and have been miles ahead of everyone else since.

They then scaled up performance so much that a desktop ARM chip was made. That had never been done on a large scale before. So, no, imo Apple was never behind Intel and AMD, they were never competing in the same space.

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Post by csdvrx »

factsarelolz wrote: post #126
csdvrx wrote: post #56

That's when I realize how much my weird hardware preferences set me apart: I mostly care about an OLED screen and ECC ram. Then, a touchscreen supporting pen entry, and a good keyboard (with the edit keys like home/insert/pageup/pagedown directly accessible, bonus is there's also printscreen) especially if it's not a foldable or a tablet. Apple's got good CPU and battery life, but unless the core features are present…

You use a touch screen and pen on something other than a nonfoldable/tablet? Interesting. Thanks for the share.

Depending on how I hold my laptop, yes I like to click and scroll with my finger, especially when taking notes or mindmapping.

@temptemptemp111 you seem to be shadowbanned, but your comment is spot on: OLED is about comfort. Sometimes I like working at night, sometimes in the daytime. I want a gorgeous screen that doesn't hurt my eyes, that can go very bright or very dark.

Having a powerful CPU is irrelevant when working on the console. Having days of battery life is irrelevant when having a plug nearby.

Would I take a powerful CPU and better battery life? Of course! But only if it was a bonus: for my specific usecase, there's 0 benefit from using a Mac. I'm sorry if that's hurtful to apple fanboys - you certainly have a wonderful machine if you care about battery life, a powerful CPU, and if you carry a cellphone with you at all times. I don't mean to be hurtful: I just have different tastes and priorities.

Like, I refuse to use or carry a cellphone except on very specific circumstances. Replacing my laptop with a Mac would be a net negative, as having a 5G or LTE modem in my laptop is more valuable to me than a long battery life: integrated cellular connectivity enable me to spend 1h at a coffee shop without wifi: there're various options for PCs (Microsoft Go, Thinkpads, Dell...) but 0 option for a MacOS laptop with an internal modem.

I'm looking at the Ryzen Thinkpad with great interest! But so far I haven't found one with both the screen I like (OLED) and the keyboard I like (pageup and pagedown around the up key), but as soon as I get 4/4 of my core requirements I'll move to AMD, as a Xeon is a bit power hungry :)

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