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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by zamalek »

jchw wrote: post #34

It's worrying that they are shying away from specifying generational improvements or at least comparing to it's competitors. The "fastest Intel MacBook" is not really the competitor for an M2 MacBook Pro, it's a predecessor. But I'd rather hear about generational improvements from M1, especially because both Intel and AMD seem to be making great strides in the low power space lately.

> fastest Intel MacBook

It's also 4 years old at this point. Where is the comparison to current-gen Intel/AMD?

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by grozzle »

counttheforks wrote: post #189
jackosdev wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have Asahi Linux installed on mine, it works great including the GPU, I’m mainly developing for ARM64 AWS Lambdas now as well so it’s nice having the same arch. Some things are still missing like webcam, microphone and speakers, but the headphone Jack works and Bluetooth is OK just a bit choppy, incredible project.

So it works great except half the hardware doesn't work and it's entirely unsupported by Apple, to whom you paid a significant premium for the hardware?

It's a work in progress, users are generally confident that the remaining hardware will gain Asahi support sooner or later.

The fact that Asahi is such a popular project is a pretty strong indicator of how much room for improvement MacOS has, to put it as politely as I can. Personally, I wouldn't even consider buying a new Mac if there wasn't any good alternate native OS available.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by gnufied »

sem000 wrote: post #62
gnufied wrote: post #46

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I have both a latest generation Thinkpad P1 Gen5 and Macbook Pro 16 inch M1 pro and while it is true that Macbook comes pretty close to being a perfect laptop, I still miss the productivity of a Linux laptop (for backend dev work). From what hardware POV you are correct, I wish though Apple would adopt Carbon Magnesium chasis that thinkpad uses. For same 16inch size, Thinkpad is noticeably lighter. I can happy lug my…

What is your Linux laptop giving you that your MBP doesn’t? And how does it hurt your productivity? Genuinely curious as I don’t see how it can be any different.

I work on container stuff, so may be my POV is bit different but:

1. I had hard time fighting openssl installed by Homebrew and getting Python to use it. On Linux - this is never an issue. In general IMO using homebrew is fairly tedious.

2. Debugging of stuff running on Linux. Sometimes logging is not enough and while remote debugging can be made to work (I mainly use Goland), it is pretty fiddly and does not work reliably.

I am not new to Mac or anything tbh. I used to use Mac about 5 years ago exclusively and then Linux for next 5 years and now using Mac again. IMO for kind of work I do - Linux is just leaps ahead of Mac.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by [deleted] »

sod wrote: post #225
nicoburns wrote: post #100

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It's no secret that Apple's M2 series processors are a pretty minor improvement over the M1 series. Expect much bigger improvements in the M3 series which will likely be using TSMC's 3nm process (and then probably only minor improvements again for the M4 series). It seems that Apple's ridiculously impressive consistent year-on-year gains up the M1 were in large part possible because they were behind the state of the…

Yes, the year over year improvements were 90% just the tsmc node changes. But the ridiculous (and IMO amazing) performance per watt is a mix of iOS/macOS and their chip design. Those efficiency cores are unmatched, paired with the right scheduling from the OS. The M2 is underwhelming as its the same 5nm as the M1 was. But rumors say the M2 pro and max are on the 3nm node. And it took so long for the release, as 3nm w…

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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by shusaku »

superkuh wrote: post #231
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Things may be great on the high end of Apple's M1/M2 laptops given they actually have enough ram for simple tasks. But those are also insanely expensive. At the low end Apple is actively ripping off users providing computers which can't even edit photos. My father, a long time apple user, decided to get an Apple M1 to replace his old Apple macbook. He bought the M1 8GB model (without consulting me). Turns out that th…

Surely such an issue would have been solved with the invention of virtual memory in… the 50s?

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by kmeisthax »

judge2020 wrote: post #137
mittermayr wrote: post #38

There's also a new Mac Mini, which I found A LOT MORE interesting, given that its keyboard or batteries won't break: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/01/apple-introduces-new-...

The lack of dedicated DisplayPort ports is fairly disappointing to me since their implementation is just "native DisplayPort output over USB‑C" and it doesn't support MST, so you can only do one displayport signal per port, even with a thunderbolt 4 hub with some bidirectional USB-C Displayport cables.

MST wouldn't be supported even if it had a DisplayPort output. Apple explicitly did not support MST pre-M1 as well.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by arepublicadoceu »

So the battery life is alluring me to splurge the money for this. But I’m a bit worried because my wife laptop, bought in 2018, already have a 5% health life on its nvme. I don’t worry as I can simply replace it but those macbooks have it soldered.

So I guess my question is, what’s the expected lifespan of their SSDs? My current laptop will turn 11 this year, and after battery and ssd replacement it still works great. Can I reasonably expect the same lifespan from macbooks?

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by goosedragons »

msbarnett wrote: post #120
neogodless wrote: post #98

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How does that compare to products you would cross shop against the M2-based MacBook Pro in 2023?

You’ll have to wait until 3rd parties do those comparisons? Apple has literally never posted “here’s a ream of benchmarks vs the Dell XPS XYZ and HP modelnumbersneeze738462” — pretending this is indicative of some grand conspiracy to hide performance deficiencies of these new M2 models the way GP is, is silly.

No but look what they did for the M1 press release:

https://www.apple.com/ca/newsroom/2020/11/introducing-the-ne...

They talk all about how it's faster than 98% of PC laptops sold. When they are in the lead or feel they are then they do.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by xpe »

gigatexal wrote: post #170
optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

Yup. Software is why I am on Linux on a thinkpad. It’s fast enough. And I control everything.

You may control _more_ but not certainly everything. You choose from the options available to you. You don’t control the processor internals, chipset, networking hardware, or millions of decisions behind the software and hardware. I’d say you curate, but you don’t really control.
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