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Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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That's what the voting buttons are for. Submission quality is in the eye of the beholder.

It takes community effort to make up for poor quality submissions. Effort that could be better spent. A number of people have attempted to give you kind and constructive feedback. You appear immune to it.

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Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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It’s exactly as absurd as the alternative legislation to “phase out” (what a bizarre turn of phrase) ICE vehicles. And I say this as an EV owner. The concept of banning one tech or another in this way is backwards thinking and stems from ignorance of the power and beauty of market economics. People (in the aggregate) will buy the products that work best for them at the price they can afford. Now it’s true those produ…

There shouldn't be a ban on ICE vehicles; there should just be a ban on emitting waste products into the air from vehicles. If you can figure out a way to use ICE cars without blasting me with air pollution, then by all means keep using them.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Forget EVs, Wyoming makes up less than 0.2% of the total US car market https://knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/ranks/Car-... I say let them be an economic laboratory.

I, for one, am thrilled that a state will finally experiment with making a completely car-free state (because no one is going to produce ICE cars for a market the size of Wyoming).

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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You can run the numbers to estimate the cost of solar panels needed to run an electric car in some place like Puerto Vallarta. Assume the car drives 12500 miles a year. Likely less in Puerto Vallarta unless it's used as a cab. But whatever. Typical EV's get 3.5 to 4 miles per kwh. Call it 3.75 miles/kwh. So need 12500/3.75 => 3333 kwh/year. One Watt of solar produces about 2kwh/year. So need 3333 kwh / 2kwh/Watt => 1…

I’m not sure what your point is. Working lower-class Mexicans can’t afford a new vehicle, much less a bunch of solar panels as well. They are not going to transition to EVs within your lifetime.

Well if they can't afford a new gasoline powered one it's not a defect of electric vehicles that they can't afford one of those either. But that said the total cost of ownership of an EV is less. Which is actually important for lower income people.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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It takes community effort to make up for poor quality submissions. Effort that could be better spent. A number of people have attempted to give you kind and constructive feedback. You appear immune to it.

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Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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I’m not sure what your point is. Working lower-class Mexicans can’t afford a new vehicle, much less a bunch of solar panels as well. They are not going to transition to EVs within your lifetime.

Well if they can't afford a new gasoline powered one it's not a defect of electric vehicles that they can't afford one of those either. But that said the total cost of ownership of an EV is less. Which is actually important for lower income people.

Again, what is your point? My claim is that ICE vehicles will continue to be used for many decades in countries with large impoverished populations, because the electrical infrastructure will not support EVs. They don’t even have reliable electricity for their homes; they are not going to be able to charge their vehicles. Further, poor citizens in poor countries can’t even afford to keep their old, used vehicles in good repair, let alone purchase expensive new vehicles.

No idea what counterpoint you’re trying to make. Whatever it is, it certainly isn’t applicable to the lives of people living in poor third-world communities.

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Well if they can't afford a new gasoline powered one it's not a defect of electric vehicles that they can't afford one of those either. But that said the total cost of ownership of an EV is less. Which is actually important for lower income people.

Again, what is your point? My claim is that ICE vehicles will continue to be used for many decades in countries with large impoverished populations, because the electrical infrastructure will not support EVs. They don’t even have reliable electricity for their homes; they are not going to be able to charge their vehicles. Further, poor citizens in poor countries can’t even afford to keep their old, used vehicles in g…

One of the problems with the power grid in third would communities is the need to constantly import coal, oil, and gas to run the power plants. And constantly import oil to run vehicles as well. So it's not like they aren't spending money already. And solar + electrified transport is cheaper then what they have now.

Electric cars are fundamentally better because developing country could just use some of the excise tax they charge on cars to buy solar panels. And the power from solar isn't subject to price shocks and interruptions like oil and gas are.

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Again, what is your point? My claim is that ICE vehicles will continue to be used for many decades in countries with large impoverished populations, because the electrical infrastructure will not support EVs. They don’t even have reliable electricity for their homes; they are not going to be able to charge their vehicles. Further, poor citizens in poor countries can’t even afford to keep their old, used vehicles in g…

One of the problems with the power grid in third would communities is the need to constantly import coal, oil, and gas to run the power plants. And constantly import oil to run vehicles as well. So it's not like they aren't spending money already. And solar + electrified transport is cheaper then what they have now. Electric cars are fundamentally better because developing country could just use some of the excise ta…

It is dead obvious that you have never travelled. The problem with the power grid is that it barely exists. The problem is that the final mile is a fucked-up mess of barely-functioning hacks. The problem is that it is utterly unreliable. The problem is that there isn’t even capacity for everyone in the neighbourhood to run all their kettles simultaneously, so good fucking luck plugging in cars. You are utterly clueless about conditions on the ground. Good day, I’m done trying to get you to understand what it’s like in rural/small town/poor neighbourhoods in poor countries.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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It takes community effort to make up for poor quality submissions. Effort that could be better spent. A number of people have attempted to give you kind and constructive feedback. You appear immune to it.

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