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Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Yeah, that is not going to happen. The momentum that EVs have at the moment, I would be surprised if there even is a mainstream ICE car available in 2035.

There are still very serious concerns with Used Market values, and the ablity for people to not buy a ticking time bomb that is a battery replacement on the used market Unless that is solved EV;s will never break 20-30% of sales

Norway is at around 80% of new car sales being electric.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are willing to share some controversial or questionable piece of news on HN, it might be worth looking for alternative sources. Is it that hard to do a couple of searches rather than submitting the low-quality one with zero extra effort? Do you not want to be better informed yourself anyways?

While the headline was imperfect, the article had the key piece up-front: someone submitted a bill with this premise. That was enough for my needs. If the community is interested in the topic, typically the comments point to more germane information, backstory, and other data that supports/refutes what an article says. That's a healthy behavior, and it's why online communities remain popular.

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Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

#83
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WRT ICE vehicles no longer being manufactured: ain’t happening. Purchasing or licensing an ICE vehicle may become a reality in some (wealthy) countries. It is not happening in third-world countries, eg. Mexico. Simple fact is that the utilities infrastructure is not there. Walking through any working-class neighbourhood shows it, even in relatively modern cities like Puerto Vallarta, let alone looking at any of the s…

You can run the numbers to estimate the cost of solar panels needed to run an electric car in some place like Puerto Vallarta.

Assume the car drives 12500 miles a year. Likely less in Puerto Vallarta unless it's used as a cab. But whatever.

Typical EV's get 3.5 to 4 miles per kwh. Call it 3.75 miles/kwh.

So need 12500/3.75 => 3333 kwh/year.

One Watt of solar produces about 2kwh/year.

So need 3333 kwh / 2kwh/Watt => 1666 Watts

Assume Mexico cost for an array is $2/Watt.

Cost is 1666 Watts X $2/Watt => $3333

That's about a 1/10 to 1/20th the cost of a new EV.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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The stated goal, according to the legislators proposing this, is to "ensure the stability" of the oil and gas industry. Humankind's ability to reach new heights of stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Lithium, cobalt and other related metals don’t come from the sky, entire ecosystems (mostly from the 3rd world) are destroyed so that those metals can make their way into batteries for EVs. Accusing the oil industry for destroying the world while cheering for EVs reminds me of that meme with two Spider-Man characters pointing at each other.

The difference with burnables is that those materials can be reused indefinitely once you put them out of the ground.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the headline was imperfect, the article had the key piece up-front: someone submitted a bill with this premise. That was enough for my needs. If the community is interested in the topic, typically the comments point to more germane information, backstory, and other data that supports/refutes what an article says. That's a healthy behavior, and it's why online communities remain popular.

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That's what the voting buttons are for.

Submission quality is in the eye of the beholder.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

#86
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It’s exactly as absurd as the alternative legislation to “phase out” (what a bizarre turn of phrase) ICE vehicles. And I say this as an EV owner. The concept of banning one tech or another in this way is backwards thinking and stems from ignorance of the power and beauty of market economics. People (in the aggregate) will buy the products that work best for them at the price they can afford. Now it’s true those produ…

Or they don't wish to buy an EV. The choice should remain. Someone supporting a ban on gas vehicles because it is harmful to the environment, should also be ready to support similar bans on cigarettes, alcohol and fast food, because they are directly harmful to us.

The difference is that your consumption of fast food and liquor doesn't hurt anyone else. Secondhand cigarette smoke does, and guess what, that's exactly why there's laws against smoking inside so many places now. Similarly, I don't care for you using my air for a garbage dump for the waste products from your car.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Performative legislation by the party you think would do such a thing but imagine if they actually passed it. What happens when it's illegal to buy the only cars that are available for sale?

> What happens when it's illegal to buy the only cars that are available for sale? Wyoming will start to look like Cuba: people will drive antiques, and local machinists will crop up to reproduce out-of-stock parts. They've got oil, so presumably they could even maintain their own gasoline supply through corporate welfare. As the second least-populous (people per square mile) state in the union, I think they could ev…

Or more likely after eighteen to twenty-four months of Rugged Individualism (TM) everyone will get sick of going against the flow and change the law.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

#88

Around this time last year there were only 460 EVs registered in Wyoming: https://www.wyomingnews.com/rawlinstimes/news/charging-forwa... Most EVs in the state are visitors and the highways are going to be electrified anyway. This is going to do nothing to save the oil and gas industry.

Gotta keep in mind though that Wyoming has a population of about 600,000 people, or roughly the population of the city of Milwaukee--for those unfamiliar, that's not an especially big city either.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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WRT ICE vehicles no longer being manufactured: ain’t happening. Purchasing or licensing an ICE vehicle may become a reality in some (wealthy) countries. It is not happening in third-world countries, eg. Mexico. Simple fact is that the utilities infrastructure is not there. Walking through any working-class neighbourhood shows it, even in relatively modern cities like Puerto Vallarta, let alone looking at any of the s…

You can run the numbers to estimate the cost of solar panels needed to run an electric car in some place like Puerto Vallarta. Assume the car drives 12500 miles a year. Likely less in Puerto Vallarta unless it's used as a cab. But whatever. Typical EV's get 3.5 to 4 miles per kwh. Call it 3.75 miles/kwh. So need 12500/3.75 => 3333 kwh/year. One Watt of solar produces about 2kwh/year. So need 3333 kwh / 2kwh/Watt => 1…

I’m not sure what your point is. Working lower-class Mexicans can’t afford a new vehicle, much less a bunch of solar panels as well. They are not going to transition to EVs within your lifetime.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the community and dialogue would, on average, improve if submission quality was increased?

That's what the voting buttons are for. Submission quality is in the eye of the beholder.

It takes community effort to make up for poor quality submissions. Effort that could be better spent.

A number of people have attempted to give you kind and constructive feedback. You appear immune to it.

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