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Boris Yeltsin's visit to a suburban Houston supermarket in 1989 (2016)

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Re: Boris Yeltsin's visit to a suburban Houston supermarket in 1989 (2016)

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If you find this story interesting, I strongly recommend you read the new biography of Gorbachev: https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393647013 By the time Yeltsin visited that grocery store, Gorbachev had been working for decades to put himself into a position of power so that he could carefully shift the USSR to a liberal Democratic government with a market economy. The fact that he actually got himself into position to…

Here's another thing to blow your mind: Gorbachev was the only Russian leader in history that resigned himself quietly, and then lived his life as a normal person.

In all of Russian history.

You could argue that Medvedev did, too, but this increasingly deranged puppet is sort of back in politics now.

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This is incorrect. Cuba is under secondary sanctions by the US. Any entity that trades with Cuba is liable under US Federal law to get it's assets seized. Granted it doesn't happen as often as it used to, but it's still the law on the books. Since most countries ask for US dollars in order to trade and that these have to be held by US entities, you're basically guaranteed to have assets that can be seized.

US dollars don't have to be held by US entities. There are US dollars held on balance sheets around the world by non-US entities. During the cold war, the Soviet Union held USD in non-US accounts. Countries don't ask for US dollars in order to trade. Although it is common for some goods to be priced in US dollars, companies (rather than countries) will price and trade in whatever currency suits them, often with assis…

US dollars can only be held in proper by US entities. All US dollars are either actually held by a bank, which has a US entity responsible for those US dollars, or as an IOU for another US entity. Despite them being on the balance sheet of a non-US entity, they are ultimately in custody of some entity under US law, unless we're talking about literal cash.

> Countries don't ask for US dollars in order to trade. Although it is common for some goods to be priced in US dollars, companies (rather than countries) will price and trade in whatever currency suits them, often with assistance from banks providing foreign exchange services. The banks don't need to be US banks, and goods priced in USD do not need to be paid for in USD if you go through an intermediary, which is common practice.

Countries do ask for US dollars in order to trade. You can notionally trade in another currency, but the value of this currency is related to the number of US dollars it can buy, and eventually that is what ends up happening. Some countries will set up currency swap mechanisms in order to allow for trade without relying on the dollar, but these are few and far between. It is generally not possible to do such trade without at some level going through the US dollar. This is a natural consequences of the fact that the US dollar is the only dominant reserve currency, meaning that it is by far the currency with the largest trade surplus. The structural reasons for this trade surplus, which I won't get into, are the reason why international trade ends up with the US dollar. For these reasons, the threat if being banned from using the US dollar, if your assets aren't seized, is sufficient to greatly dissuade trade.

Cuba is not the only example of this. American secondary sanctions on Iran led to the cancellation of contracts between European companies and Iranian companies en masse, and were cited as the reason why it happened.

> The parent comment stands up. The embargo is not a reasonable explanation for the poor circumstances of the Cubans.

Cuba has a GDP per capita of 9500$ USD nominal (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?location...) - which is above the average for Latin America and the Cardibbean. We can look at Iran for an example of a country under an identical sanctions regime, which suffered a 50% fall in GDP. The thesis that most of its economic problems come from the sanctions regime seems strong, as the closest analog suffered a halving of GDP and because it is nonetheless economically a strong performer for the region.

If you look at a microscopic level, the lack of access to specific products is a common theme in Cuban economic problems, and this is certainly attributable to the sanctions regime.

Re: Boris Yeltsin's visit to a suburban Houston supermarket in 1989 (2016)

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Ah, the glory days of America. Yesterday, the local market was out of eggs and bananas. There were long lines at too few staffed checkouts. There's a homeless encampment in the mall's parking area. This is in Silicon Valley.

I could say something like this about the Nordics. The countries that brag over superiour healthcare over the dumb american capitalist.

Today, unless you pay private insurance, you can wait 13 years ( not a typo, you wait a teenager ) for hip surgery.

Sweden today. One of the richest “socialist” countries on the planet.

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It isn’t really useful to compare the Soviet Union in it’s final 1-2 years of total crisis to the USA. You see videos of empty supermarkets, lines and many other problems. But this certainly is not an accurate depiction of normal life during most of the Soviet period. The 70s and early 80s did not have a lot of the problems that arose in 1989.

> The 70s and early 80s did not have a lot of the problems that arose in 1989. In late 1980s the systemic problem became a problem everywhere. However, food stamps were already a thing in some regions in mid-1970s. And the "sausage trains" were a well-known phenomenon since at least early 70s. This was a term for the trains that people would take to buy stuff in larger cities like Moscow that didn't exist in smaller…

To note, "smaller city" are still a half million population province capitals.

It's not the smaller towns where people could live off the land for the most part.

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Russia's poor are still not very well taken care of under capitalism. Witness all the Russian soldiers in Ukraine being impressed with washing machines and stealing them.

Please don’t take everything you read on the internet at face value. Every decently sized city there has at least one DNS, Eldorado and MVideo electronics chain: https://youtu.be/XzNDGN6r1bw

To use a washing machine you need access to running water, sewage and electricity. The first two of those are still not available in large parts of the country.

And large portions of the population still cannot afford one.

The intersection of those two frequently ends up in the army, as that is the only social mobility they know.

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It’s doesn’t have to be “shining” capitalism to be free market reforms. It’s pretty clear even “state capitalism” leads to wealth and the elimination of abject poverty.

That's actually not what it shows. It shows that the free market focused development model which was popular across the entire rest of the world did not, in aggregate, reduce abject poverty. > It’s pretty clear even “state capitalism” leads to wealth and the elimination of abject poverty. What even is the difference between such heavy state capitalism and socialism? Socialist economies existed with various level of m…

You are mixing up democracy and capitalism. All democracies happens to be capitalist today since people quickly vote away communist leaders when they can, but that doesn't mean that democracy and capitalism are the same thing. China can be capitalist without democratic elections, I'd argue that is where they are today and where they have been since the "Chinese miracle" started.

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Now the challenge for us is that we’re still stuck thinking stores full of Chinese junk is the pinnacle of civilization and we’re unable to know any better despite accumulating evidence of planetary destruction.

we have a big cultural problem. our current economy is great at optimizing for low cost mass produced items that last 6 months and then get thrown in the dump. a pair of shoes that lasts years isn't as profitable as a pair sold every 6 months. a coat or car that can be repaired is one less customer shopping for a new one. engineers design cars they don't have to work on or repair, and will never drive. in a healthy e…

> engineers design cars they don't have to work on or repair, and will never drive.

Because that's what they're told to do. Very few engineers revel in making worse products for business reasons.

Re: Boris Yeltsin's visit to a suburban Houston supermarket in 1989 (2016)

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Few years into our emigration to USA, my family brought my grandfather over to USA. He was a blue collar worker, electrician at the cement factory, entering that profession right after the war, which he spent under the occupation and mostly I think as a shepherd for cows and pigs in what is now Belarus. He has built several houses in his life and was always incredibly handy with tools. We took him to Home Depot. He l…

You did not have to go as far as USA to see that. Trip to western Berlin would be enough. Countries that got under USA sphere of influence had it much better. They got lots of money with Marshall's plan to rebuild economies after war.

So even if they would knew there is a better life it was all decided at Jalta and they were most likely not able to do anything about it without straight out starting new war against Soviets running things in the east. Unfortunately scratching out a living was their destiny.

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Now the challenge for us is that we’re still stuck thinking stores full of Chinese junk is the pinnacle of civilization and we’re unable to know any better despite accumulating evidence of planetary destruction.

we have a big cultural problem. our current economy is great at optimizing for low cost mass produced items that last 6 months and then get thrown in the dump. a pair of shoes that lasts years isn't as profitable as a pair sold every 6 months. a coat or car that can be repaired is one less customer shopping for a new one. engineers design cars they don't have to work on or repair, and will never drive. in a healthy e…

Lost me at cars. Cars used to be horrible. They’ve never been better.

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You think Americans buying bananas from poorer countries makes those countries poorer?

Very much possible yes. The banana trade in particular has a sordid history. Here is one about striking workers masacred: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Massacre Or there is this Guatemalan coup d’état which was lobbied for by United Fruit Company: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27éta... So, yes. I think it might just happen that buying banana from somewhere keeps them poor. These are…

Would boycotting bananas help or make it worse for people in those countries?
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