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I don't like this mandatory tie between the two Apple product lines any more than you do, but as an FYI nit on terminology: > somehow thought any up-to-date iOS device would work. [...] Got the newest iPad? iOS 12 was the last version of iOS where that name applied to iPad as well as iPhone. Starting with version 13, the version of the operating system for iPhone had been the only one called iOS, with the iPad OS cal…

Lmao how is this nuance related to the point he made at all?

They're not making excuses for it— just clarifying why/how easy it can be to misunderstand the marketing material that led to that mistake.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Related - is there a way I can download pictures from an Iphone to a Linux computer locally? Not interested in using any form of cloud intermediary. Evidently, if I plug a cable from an Iphone into a computer, enter my password, this still represents a threat if it is not overseen by iTunes. The device is in my hand, connected to the intended destination, and it is non-trivial to retrieve my data. Just absurd behavio…

Strange - you can connect an iPhone directly to a windows computer with no iTunes around. I wonder why that doesn’t work on Linux.

In any case, I think there are apps around that make the iPhone serve a web interface to your files on your local network. Would that work? No cloud intermediary involved.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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I gifted an Apple Watch this Christmas. I checked their site and saw that an iPhone was needed, but somehow thought any up-to-date iOS device would work. Since you can set up the watch for a family member (who doesn't have an iPhone) it has to work, right? Got the newest iPad? F*k you, buy and iPhone. That was a disappointing gift, I can tell you that. There is absolutely no reason to impose such a limit. I don't und…

I don't like this mandatory tie between the two Apple product lines any more than you do, but as an FYI nit on terminology: > somehow thought any up-to-date iOS device would work. [...] Got the newest iPad? iOS 12 was the last version of iOS where that name applied to iPad as well as iPhone. Starting with version 13, the version of the operating system for iPhone had been the only one called iOS, with the iPad OS cal…

I've been an Apple customer for a decade and have had a number of iPads and this is the first time I've heard this.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Why would you buy your child an iphone if you don't have one?

Why would you buy your child an Android if you don't have one?

Who suggested buying your child an android when you don't have one? When somebody asks why you drink bleach, it doesn't imply that you should drink motor oil.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Details: I own a Mac & no other Apple devices. My TV is an LG. I have the Apple streaming service on the TV, purely because they have some pretty good shows (Ted Lasso, Separation, Acapulco). Is there something an Apple TV device would do for me? I'm not seeing it.

A media player like nvidia shield or apple tv is just a lot more performant and gets updated for ages. TV firmware mostly gets abandoned when the next generation releases. The interface gets laggy and slow very quickly.

Also, some people have Plex/Kodi setups with a NAS. Not fun to try to play UHD Bluray remuxes on a TV directly.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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To me this feels like a shortcut taken by the tvOS team more than a push for the user to own more Apple devices. What I'm guessing has happened is that that there's probably no standardized dialog in the tvOS SDK that is suited to a scrolling ToS/EULA screen and in the interest of pushing a release out the door faster an engineer was told to shove this message in an alert and call it a day. It's bad and should be fix…

This is almost certainly the correct answer. It might also be a generic dialog populated with a server-provided message.

Apple TV definitely is not intended to require that you own another Apple device. Even the Apple TV+ subscription service is supported on other platforms like Roku (https://www.roku.com/blog/apple-tv).

Apple has never required that you run the latest iOS to use iCloud (see minimum requirements on https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204230). Also, you can definitely accept the iCloud T&C with a Mac, which the error message omits.

It's clearly just a very dumb bug and an inaccurate message, one that will likely be fixed in a few days. Not really worth the #1 slot on HN with 190+ comments.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

Often the key to success is to not try to do too much. That was one of the big reasons the PDA market was dominated by Palm Pilot.

Earlier PDAs like the Sharp Wizard and the Casio BOSS tried to do too much. They wanted you to be able to fully maintain your calendar and contacts and todo lists and notes on them. But with their little keyboards, slow processors, and limited displays they weren't very good at doing a lot of data entry or editing related to those tasks.

Palm viewed the PDA not as the place all that stuff would live. In their view all that stuff lived on your computer. The PDA was for taking your data along when you were away from the computer. You might take notes on the PDA but then when back home you'd use the computer if you needed to do much editing of them. You might add or delete a todo item here or there, but if you were going to extensively reorganize your todo list, you'd do it on the computer.

I think Apple is, correctly, thinking that the Apple Watch will do best if it is like the Palm Pilot. It is a peripheral for your iPhone and doesn't try to shoehorn into the inherently limited interface support for doing things that can be easily done on the iPhone it is paired with.

If they tried to make it standalone without greatly reducing the functionality they would just end up with something very complicate to use.

What they could do, without making it too complicated, is make it so you can pair it with things other than iPhone. iPad and Mac at the least. Maybe Android phones/tablets and Windows PCs too. But it would still be primarily a peripheral for those devices, not a standalone device.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Sure, but > The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone I simply don't think is true.

You might not, but I have gone entire days with only my LTE Apple watch. I can take calls, play music (wirelessly through my airpods), crudely reply to messages (it's only a little awkward, surprisingly usable) and pay for things without my phone. For web-browsing, I don't need to do that all the time. I use my camera a sum total of twice a month. I don't think I'm special.

There are people who'd be able to get by with a watch, but as an alternate perspective:

- 99% of my messaging is through text, the other 1% is video calling - Most of my causal web browsing is on my phone - I've taken thousands of pictures on my phone in the last year.

Most of my friends are like this as well.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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I don't think it's this person's fault or that they should have seen it coming but I am curious why someone with no other apple devices would buy what I consider to be a secondary apple accessory. I just assumed (and I guess apple did too?) that no one who doesn't already have an apple device would buy an Apple TV. If I didn't have apple computers and an iPhone I don't think I would see the benefit over a google tv d…

> I am curious why someone with no other apple devices would buy what I consider to be a secondary apple accessory. I might be the weird one, but a device you stick to your TV to watch contents doesn't feel like an accessory to me. The market competitors are roku, fire TV, Google TV(is it still called that ?), and plex boxes. Playstation and XBox would be a stretch, but there's overlap. None of them will force you to…

That's what I mean I guess: the only reason to get the apple one is as part of their ecosystem. It's surprising to me to see someone who seems to be choosing it for the UX.
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