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Re: The Shit Show

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Post by viraptor »

snapplebobapple wrote: post #244
tptacek wrote: post #12

I think (and have been saying this a bunch lately) that he's right about ActivityPub and Mastodon, and that "a universal timeline" is actually a really good way to put words to it. I was a Mastodon hater for years, but having used it for the past month or so with an actual community of people (really: the whole community I interacted with on Twitter before), I have to admit it: the ActivityPub people were right about…

Have they fixed conversation threading, or does it not matter vs twitter since twitter's threading is horribly broken as well?

Depends on what you mean by "they" and "fixed". There's a few clients. They do threading in different ways. I'm sure you'll find one that does what you like.

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Post by minimaxir »

wyclif wrote: post #266
bioemerl wrote: post #264

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Unfortunately it takes a lot, and I mean a lot, to overcome network effects when something like Twitter is involved. The only way it goes under is if they are losing revenue and they actually go bankrupt at some point. Elon has already been muzzled quite a bit and I haven't seen much out of him recently, so I imagine as long as that keeps being the case going forward we're going to see Twitter do just fine.

>I haven't seen much out of him recently Ever heard of Space X, Tesla, and the Boring Company?

"much out of him" is a relative qualifier. At the least his tweets haven't been making news unlike the week where he was taking polls whether he should step down and unban journalists.

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Post by bobleeswagger »

mjmsmith wrote: post #277
bobleeswagger wrote: post #267

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Keep back-pedaling, you'd have supported the same actions if they were done by "the good guys" that lost control of the company. > Why is this hard to understand without bringing your politics into it? Pot, meet kettle.

I thought Dorsey was a doofus whose part-time management contributed to the utter stagnation of the product. And their API changes in 2012 were a shitty thing to do to developers, but perhaps less cowardly than the current changes. I don't use it much these days, but hopefully it'll stick around, even if only as a Parler clone with $5B in debt, mostly populated by angry reply guys whining about wokeness. I'm sure you…

Your reaction to and obsession with the word "woke" tells us all we need to know about your propaganda driven mind.

I don't even have a twitter account, by the way.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by viraptor »

ryanSrich wrote: post #280
geerlingguy wrote: post #28

I'm still waiting to hear any kind of official word, but it looks pretty bleak. Without Tweetbot, Twitter is almost impossible to use. Checking in on https://tweetdeck.twitter.com/ , the alternate UI, it's almost usable, but still missing like 8 of the most important features that made Twitter useful to me. I have been posting sometimes on Mastodon but still primarily on Twitter, waiting to see how things turned out.…

I’m reluctant to use Mastodon because I don’t see it gaining much traction outside of tech. It’s incredibly annoying to use, and the entire concept of how different servers work is far too complicated for any non-tech user. It really needs a frontend to take off that regular people can join without having to worry about getting anything setup.

Please give it a go. For all the talk about needing to know things and the process being complicated, I've only heard from one person who actually had any issues with that side of the system. I think people mostly overthink this. For example, go to https://hachyderm.io , register your account, done. If you want to research other instances and think about it some more in the future, you can move somewhere else - you're not stuck to one place. In the meantime, I don't ever think of the "entire concept of how different servers work" while using the service.

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Post by viraptor »

acdha wrote: post #146
geerlingguy wrote: post #28

I'm still waiting to hear any kind of official word, but it looks pretty bleak. Without Tweetbot, Twitter is almost impossible to use. Checking in on https://tweetdeck.twitter.com/ , the alternate UI, it's almost usable, but still missing like 8 of the most important features that made Twitter useful to me. I have been posting sometimes on Mastodon but still primarily on Twitter, waiting to see how things turned out.…

I have to say that Mastodon has surprised me in that regard: fewer followers by number but roughly equal on the count of pleasant interactions.

Apparently it's the same for engagement with content. I've seen a few people comparing their large user bases and getting the same amount of link clicks on Twitter and from ~10% of that many followers on Mastodon.

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Post by helloworld11 »

Cry me a river. Build something based on a third party platform and expect possible consequences like this as its vagaries and ownership details change. Most of the post reeks of self absorption and naval gazing. Yep, some billionaire that for the moment isn't quite popular among the glitterati of social justice and elite media bought a major social network only to change it in ways you don't like. It happens, adjust. It might be fashionable to pour shit on Musk but nothing new or horrible happened here as far as the world of tech is concerned. Twitter was treading shit with all kinds of bad policies long before space man came along to apply his own brand of convoluted management..

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by kanbara »

roarcher wrote: post #72
rdlw wrote: post #9

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Well yeah, his life's work was destroyed at someone's whim with the flick of a switch. How many people would be gracious? Why should anyone be?

His "life's work" is a fresh coat of paint on someone else's creation, which is of questionable value to begin with. And using his mother's death as a comedic prop in a public rant doesn't exactly engender sympathy.

you do realise that twitterific shaped a LOT of twitter in the early days, like he says in the article? that the concepts they pioneered in their app, which twitter didn't have (they didn't have a first party app for quite a while) are integral concepts to the very foundations of twitter?

i don't think his mum's death was a comedic prop, it was a storytelling device. what kind of person looks at that metaphor and says: i don't like this person, i will belittle their entire life?

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Post by kanbara »

system2 wrote: post #204
lapcat wrote: post #202

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> His business decisions were not right and he is learning it the hard way. This is absurd. His business decision worked for 16 years, which is longer than many jobs or even companies last. The point is that the new owner of Twitter has no respect for the people who contributed to the platform over the years. Twitter won't even announce that they've shut down the 3rd party API. How cowardly is that?

How is that absurd? His twitter client is just an interface for what twitter does already. It is like buying pizza from Dominos and adding one more topping on and reheating. I think investing in social media platform APIs is risky because they keep changing their business models and policies.

twitterific and tweetbot were amazing polished UIs that made twitter better, before twitter even had a first party app. and twitterific coined tonnes of metaphors and UI that twitter uses to this day.

if you don't know the history of the third-party twitter clients, maybe don't make stuff up about how useless they are

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Post by kibibu »

stavros wrote: post #255
williamcotton wrote: post #93

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The first MP3 I downloaded was from IRC and played back on the Fraunhofer Institute MP3 player. Old timers will remember that if you caused your screen to redraw at all, say by scrolling a window, the audio would skip. The first song? Bob Dylan - Stuck in the Middle With You… which is actually by Steeler’s Wheel.

Oh man, I remember when the Xing MP3 encoder was the only one that could encode in near-realtime on my 100 MHz Pentium back in the day.

And it applied an exciting washy flanger effect to the cymbals as well

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by Kostchei »

aduitsis wrote: post #162
Spooky23 wrote: post #118

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I’m bullish on Mastodon with the influx of users. It’s different than Twitter, but it’s pretty awesome in its own right. Hopefully the different model will create something new and amazing. Twitter had amazing elements, but it’s sunset has arrived!

At this point the signal to noise ratio on Mastodon is amazingly good. Who would have thought that just displaying the timeline would be so refreshing.

yep, I have to say, it (Mastodon - mostly infosec.exchange) has been ..nice.. and /tilts head .. effective in communicating what I wanted to communicate with people who I wanted reach. And I think for social media that is the bar you want to reach. Nice and works. refreshingly surprised after being scarred by years of facebook and twitter- I assumed that was a good as social media was going to get. Apparently not.
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