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Post by dmitryminkovsky »

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #71

Well-written and touching post. To switch off this API used by so many long-time users on the same day "For You" appears as the default option on Twitter triggers me. The "For You" timeline is only for Elon: it will drive engagement, extremism, and all the things social networks have been accused of driving for years now in order to make more $. Some folks here have been comparing the crypto/Web3 and ActivityPub craz…

Twitter was really pretty solid for what it was, had lots of great accounts and even with the stock UI was pretty operable for me. Even advertising on Twitter was pretty fun. You could reach people all over the world at reasonable cost and get feedback on your product and messaging.

Most recently I used Twitter pretty much exclusively for following the war in Ukraine, and it’s been a big loss for me—Telegram is a good source for primary content, Twitter was great as a human-driven social redux. I followed a person in Mariupol, some people in Russia and Belarus, lots of people in Ukraine and Europe. It was a great for keeping up with such a terrible thing.

RIP Twitter.

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Post by aduitsis »

Spooky23 wrote: post #118
ArmandGrillet wrote: post #71

Well-written and touching post. To switch off this API used by so many long-time users on the same day "For You" appears as the default option on Twitter triggers me. The "For You" timeline is only for Elon: it will drive engagement, extremism, and all the things social networks have been accused of driving for years now in order to make more $. Some folks here have been comparing the crypto/Web3 and ActivityPub craz…

I’m bullish on Mastodon with the influx of users. It’s different than Twitter, but it’s pretty awesome in its own right. Hopefully the different model will create something new and amazing. Twitter had amazing elements, but it’s sunset has arrived!

At this point the signal to noise ratio on Mastodon is amazingly good. Who would have thought that just displaying the timeline would be so refreshing.

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Post by api »

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #71

Well-written and touching post. To switch off this API used by so many long-time users on the same day "For You" appears as the default option on Twitter triggers me. The "For You" timeline is only for Elon: it will drive engagement, extremism, and all the things social networks have been accused of driving for years now in order to make more $. Some folks here have been comparing the crypto/Web3 and ActivityPub craz…

Anyone comparing ActivityPub to the web3 craze has no idea what they are taking about and probably knows nothing about both of these things. They have nothing in common.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by pbronez »

riffic wrote: post #123
pbronez wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to help make the Fediverse happen, there appears to be a serious need for energy and ideas in the standards effort. I have a thread going here https://hachyderm.io/@PeterBronez/109688815511361197 But the upshot is, get involved with: https://www.w3.org/community/socialcg/

The Fediverse has already happened. It's about to celebrate its 15th year in a handful of months. https://fediverse.party/en/post/fediverse-14-years-in-2022/

Hmm counting from Identi.ca? Fair enough.

What’s the term you prefer for this stage of its growth then?

The jump to 7 figures of MAU in the wake of Twitter’s collapse seems like an important change to me. The idea might be 15 years old, but the dominant implementation (Mastodon) started ~2016, the modern protocol (ActivityPub) arrived in 2018, and the last four years seem to have been mostly a small community working out the kinks.

Now it’s going mainstream. It’s held up remarkably well so far, but there are significant technical, economic and governance challenges to overcome if Fedi is going to fulfill it’s potential as the dominant interoperability layer for online collaboration.

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Post by iLoveOncall »

lapcat wrote: post #158
iLoveOncall wrote: post #102

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> your website being shutdown It's not a website, it's the app he's been working on for the past 16 years.

Ah my bad, if it's an app instead of a website, I understand how it is appropriate to use the passing of your mom as a metaphor in a blog post named "The Shit Show".

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Post by sph »

godelski wrote: post #50

I've been thinking about social media a lot lately and how it has changed my life. I'm only in my early 30's, but I think many others my age grew up online and when the internet felt smaller, but in a different way. I made life long friends through these means. But something I've noticed is that as everyone has come online, I have made fewer friends. What I personally miss is the small niche communities. These don't…

I've been thinking about this problem a lot and I don't think there is an easy answer or solution to this. I think that world is gone.

--

To recreate the feeling of a small group of people chatting like it was commonplace two decades ago, I created a Discord server for strangers to just hang out and chat whenever one feels like. No pressure, no overbearing rules, just a small island in the modern lonely internet.

Its been going on for a little over a month now, there's about 15 people that are more or less regular. If you or anyone reading is interested, send me an email with your Discord name.

--

Still, any attempt like this is still so unlike the Internet we had in the 2000s. Myspace died and with it the sense of community. The modern internet feels as lonely as standing in Piccadilly Circus on a Sunday afternoon. So many people, with so little time for anyone else.

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Post by NelsonMinar »

harrego wrote: post #76

See also Paul Haddad's situation[1] (creator of TweetBot): > I really want an official public statement. We have a large number of sub. renewals for year 3 of Tweetbot coming up in a couple of weeks. If we're permanently cut off I need to know so we can remove the app from sale and prevent those. Which obviously I'd rather not do. [1] https://tapbots.social/@paul/109690528614720936

Paul is a respectful developer, polite to his customers. Musk is a vainglorious boss, making erratic decisions. People like Paul. Be like Paul.

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Post by AstixAndBelix »

tptacek wrote: post #140
latchkey wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. I got to that point of signup and playing with Mastodon and stopped. What, am I supposed to go hunting for some random server that'll allow me to join? Nah. I'll take my chances with getting kicked off or banned from Twitter, thanks. If I'm sent away from Twitter, I'll just stop consuming that content entirely. Probably a waste of time anyway.

This notion of affiliating with specific servers with specific cultures is I think one of the first things that's going to go out the window as Mastodon/ActivityPub succeeds. It's not that hard to provision single-user instances, and the fabled moderation overhead issues are, as I understand from talking to operators, mostly a thing that follows from having lots of people in an instance following lots of other instan…

Mastodon was not made for p2p, which having a huge amoung of single-user instances basically is.

The problem with Mastodon is that it ties your main account (and yes, most people just want a single account to represent their online persona) to a single instance which might have a very silly name and a very strong and unique culture (i.e. local timeline).

The solution to this is not to self-host, because the infrastructure was not made for it. The solution would be to completely rethink the Mastodon experience, but that will never be done

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Post by NelsonMinar »

geerlingguy wrote: post #28

I'm still waiting to hear any kind of official word, but it looks pretty bleak. Without Tweetbot, Twitter is almost impossible to use. Checking in on https://tweetdeck.twitter.com/ , the alternate UI, it's almost usable, but still missing like 8 of the most important features that made Twitter useful to me. I have been posting sometimes on Mastodon but still primarily on Twitter, waiting to see how things turned out.…

The lack of any official word is part of the message. They cut their third party partners off in the most abrupt, unprofessional way possible. That is what Musk's Twitter is now. (The leak yesterday suggests they are working on messaging at Twitter.)

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Post by clouddrover »

karlshea wrote: post #160
clouddrover wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tweetbot partially works because they're using new API keys: https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/15/23556359/tweetbot-twitter... It's a temporary workaround at best. The new API access is rate limited and Tweetbot will likely be banned again.

The new keys are already not working for me.

It certainly proves that the whole situation is intentional. Here's what Paul Haddad (Tweetbot developer) says about the new keys failing:

https://tapbots.social/@paul/109695822047176004

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