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Re: The Shit Show

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Post by shrubble »

godelski wrote: post #50

I've been thinking about social media a lot lately and how it has changed my life. I'm only in my early 30's, but I think many others my age grew up online and when the internet felt smaller, but in a different way. I made life long friends through these means. But something I've noticed is that as everyone has come online, I have made fewer friends. What I personally miss is the small niche communities. These don't…

I think that you make an interesting point. Having recently become interested in vintage computers I have been spending time with the forums at vcfed.org .

To be honest unplugging from the political outrage machine helped my mental state...and I might in time make some friends on that site...

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Post by madrox »

This situation is heart breaking for us who have a lot of attachment to this API. I built a research thesis around data mining the firehose, and that work got me my first data mining job. I made hundreds of valuable connections. However, the API really died years ago when requirements of ad-based revenue meant neutering many endpoints. It's been on life support since. Recent events really were about pulling the plug.

But Mastodon excites me the way I used to be excited about social. There's possibility again to turn it into the things we gave up on a decade ago. I look forward to a new wave of innovation here.

And yes, I refuse to say the name of the company or the owner at this point. I agree with the author. It isn't deserved.

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Post by riffic »

pbronez wrote: post #100
tptacek wrote: post #12

I think (and have been saying this a bunch lately) that he's right about ActivityPub and Mastodon, and that "a universal timeline" is actually a really good way to put words to it. I was a Mastodon hater for years, but having used it for the past month or so with an actual community of people (really: the whole community I interacted with on Twitter before), I have to admit it: the ActivityPub people were right about…

If you want to help make the Fediverse happen, there appears to be a serious need for energy and ideas in the standards effort. I have a thread going here https://hachyderm.io/@PeterBronez/109688815511361197 But the upshot is, get involved with: https://www.w3.org/community/socialcg/

The Fediverse has already happened. It's about to celebrate its 15th year in a handful of months.

https://fediverse.party/en/post/fediverse-14-years-in-2022/

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Post by aktenlage »

warinukraine wrote: post #99
Ensorceled wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you're defending the antics of a childish billionaire and blaming the damage on the people he hurt. That's on you.

I'm defending the right to own property, which is something really fundamental to the way we organize our society. ... and when you say "the people that were hurt"... If you leave your wallet on the street, it might be stolen and you might be hurt. I'm not blaming the victim; someone stealing your wallet is wrong even though you left it on the street. It's not your fault, I'm not blaming you, I blame the thief for th…

Nah, you are defending something that is based on the right to own property (and do whatever you like with it), but may nevertheless be shitty behavior. Just because something is legal and the legal basis is important (in your opinion), doesn't necessarily mean it is ok behavior.

E.g., being rude isn't forbidden, the freedom of speech is important, so is the right to express your personality. But lecturing the affected person about these rights may not be the best reaction when they have been insulted by someone.

I think the main point to discuss is not the rights, but whether the owner of a company should act more responsible, even if he is within his rights. And that's also the point of the OP.

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Post by klabb3 »

mattwilsonn888 wrote: post #46

If federation was a worthwhile goal (in one's mind) after "the bozo took over Twitter" then it is quite obvious nothing fundamentally has changed such that federation would have been a noble goal as a foil to previous Twitter management. Seriously - if more personal sovereignty is the goal then complaining about Twitter only after new management is admitting that the primary quality you don't like is the new manageme…

> complaining about Twitter only after new management is admitting that the primary quality you don't like is the new management.

This rings very true. The move to Mastodon isn’t likely to translate into “…but why do we need speech owners at all”. Unaccountable and unjustified concentrated power is simply not a concern to most. Once the dust settles, business as usual will kick in. It’ll either be a feudal lordship of mastodon instances, or a brand new dickhead in a leather jacket.

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Post by pxtail »

pmarreck wrote: post #96

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Yep, it makes no sense - fueling, empowering someone's private property,even voluntarily helping to sidestep/skip platform shortcomings to make it dominant player instead of promoting open standards and solutions and then surprise, "Pikachu face"

I'm perceiving Asahi Linux initiative in similar way and it's astonishing to see people putting countless man-hours for free into improving device produced by one of richest companies in the world which is known for having full controll on sofware and hardware intentionally and steadily making it as locked as possible, hostile to OS What could go wrong here..

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Post by xupybd »

Ensorceled wrote: post #120
warinukraine wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm defending the right to own property, which is something really fundamental to the way we organize our society. ... and when you say "the people that were hurt"... If you leave your wallet on the street, it might be stolen and you might be hurt. I'm not blaming the victim; someone stealing your wallet is wrong even though you left it on the street. It's not your fault, I'm not blaming you, I blame the thief for th…

> I'm defending the right to own property, which is something really fundamental to the way we organize our society. No one is trying to "steal" twitter in this thread, we are saying he used his "property rights" to unnecessarily hurt others. You're the one who is saying this is just peachy keen and "that's on you". You're defending the harm.

I feel for this guy. He worked on a product for 16 years. A lot goes into that and it becomes part of your identity. Then right at a time close to the loss of his mother it gets shutdown, with no warning. I'd be devastated.

That said Elon is not doing this to anyone. He is not attacking anyone. He simply made a business decision. This happens all the time. Companies let suppliers go for financial reasons, they let staff go for similar reasons. People invest their lives into helping these businesses only to find they were let go for a few dollars. It sucks and it's can be super painful. Businesses mostly exist to make money and people should avoid investing their identity and loyalty into businesses as they probably won't reciprocate.

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Post by pessimizer »

Ensorceled wrote: post #97
warinukraine wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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And you're defending the antics of a childish billionaire and blaming the damage on the people he hurt. That's on you.

If you're referring to Twitter closing their API again, this tone is a bit hysterical.

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Post by pessimizer »

leokennis wrote: post #91
warinukraine wrote: post #82

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I imagine you believe the money you keep with the company known as your bank is yours as well right? Just because it’s a company doesn’t mean they get to behave like assholes and then put the blame on their users for being gullible or ignorant.

Twitter is a bank and is stealing deposits? That's a crime.
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